Shark shields won't protect swimmers, Liza Harvey says

[davidc4430]

amazing how people get so worked up when a swimmer gets killed by a shark

yes, its not very nice and for the family of the person its a tragidy.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-19/shark-shields-a-lottery-that-wont-protect-swimmers-harvey-says...

so we have people calling for mass trapping of sharks to 'protect' the beachgoers.

however how often does a pedestrian get hit and killed by cars? more often than people getting eaten by sharks i suspect.

but we dont call for traps to catch evil cars do we?

we know that quite often cars will hit and kill people, fact of life.

why dont we see sharks the same way?

we can of course (well most of us) choose not to get in water with sharks, pretty hard to go about everyday life without crossing a road.

[springyzone]

I don't think having mass trappings is the way to go. The sharks were in their own environment.

Surely it would be doable to just have some patrolled sections of beaches for swimming, where people can be warned to get out of the water if there is a shark sighting.

I know it's not 100% safe that way either & in some surf spots people would be swimming at their own risk but even killing off sharks doesn't make it guaranteed safe either.

Seems a bit harsh to kill large numbers of sharks because they might one day bite someone.

[Anonymous]

I recall, years ago, a friend of a friend having a 'near miss' (as in, they were out surfing and spotted a shark in the distance)ahem

BUT, their comment  (and dead set 100% serious)

"I never expected to see a shark out there in the ocean like that"

Ok then 

[davidc4430]

WA Government should 'put people first and sharks second', says Josh Frydenberg

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-20/shark-attack-prompts-pressure-on-wa-government-to-act/8458368

using our enviroment ministers ideas should we not clear all the trees and plants anywhere a bushfire may occure where people are living?

good thinking minister of the enviroment, get rid of everything that might hurt us in the enviroment.

i love this government and their idiot MPs.

[colic2bullsgirlore]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

amazing how people get so worked up when a swimmer gets killed by a shark

yes, its not very nice and for the family of the person its a tragidy.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-19/shark-shields-a-lottery-that-wont-protect-swimmers-harvey-says...

so we have people calling for mass trapping of sharks to 'protect' the beachgoers.

however how often does a pedestrian get hit and killed by cars? more often than people getting eaten by sharks i suspect.

but we dont call for traps to catch evil cars do we?

we know that quite often cars will hit and kill people, fact of life.

why dont we see sharks the same way?

we can of course (well most of us) choose not to get in water with sharks, pretty hard to go about everyday life without crossing a road.

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In your analogy are you comparingApples with Apples or Apples with oranges

ie What percentage of pedestrians using pedestrian crossings get hit and killed as compared to the percentage of pedestrians that are killled when not using pedestrian crossings

Answer: It's much safer to cross the road at a Pedesttrian crossing

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/ballina-lennox-byron-shark-crisis/ne...

Governments are protecting swimmers and surfers, just not here. Drive 100km north of Ballina, across the border into Queensland, and every popular beach all the way to Cairns has either nets or drumlines, or both. (Nets, which are 150m-200m long and 6m deep with a 500mm mesh, do not enclose a beach; rather, they trap any large marine creatures that happen to swim through them. Drumlines are large baited hooks suspended from a buoy. Both nets and drumlines are checked every few days by contractors.) In 54 years, there has been only one fatal attack at a protected beach in Queensland. Nets were installed in Sydney in 1936, and later extended to beaches off Wollongong and Newcastle. NSW too has only ever had one fatality at a protected beach.

http://www.macleayargus.com.au/story/4436573/great-white-shark-in-motion-off-the-nambucca-coast-vide...

Best mate has been a Pro Fisherman for 30 years never have the numbers been greater or the amount of large ones

been more prolific. Not Tony Didio though but his "opposition"

Search "Tony Didio shark' on youtube

[davidc4430]

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@colic2bullsgirlore wrote:

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@davidc4430 wrote:

amazing how people get so worked up when a swimmer gets killed by a shark

yes, its not very nice and for the family of the person its a tragidy.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-19/shark-shields-a-lottery-that-wont-protect-swimmers-harvey-says...

so we have people calling for mass trapping of sharks to 'protect' the beachgoers.

however how often does a pedestrian get hit and killed by cars? more often than people getting eaten by sharks i suspect.

but we dont call for traps to catch evil cars do we?

we know that quite often cars will hit and kill people, fact of life.

why dont we see sharks the same way?

we can of course (well most of us) choose not to get in water with sharks, pretty hard to go about everyday life without crossing a road.

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In your analogy are you comparingApples with Apples or Apples with oranges

ie What percentage of pedestrians using pedestrian crossings get hit and killed as compared to the percentage of pedestrians that are killled when not using pedestrian crossings

Answer: It's much safer to cross the road at a Pedesttrian crossing

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/ballina-lennox-byron-shark-crisis/ne...

Governments are protecting swimmers and surfers, just not here. Drive 100km north of Ballina, across the border into Queensland, and every popular beach all the way to Cairns has either nets or drumlines, or both. (Nets, which are 150m-200m long and 6m deep with a 500mm mesh, do not enclose a beach; rather, they trap any large marine creatures that happen to swim through them. Drumlines are large baited hooks suspended from a buoy. Both nets and drumlines are checked every few days by contractors.) In 54 years, there has been only one fatal attack at a protected beach in Queensland. Nets were installed in Sydney in 1936, and later extended to beaches off Wollongong and Newcastle. NSW too has only ever had one fatality at a protected beach.

http://www.macleayargus.com.au/story/4436573/great-white-shark-in-motion-off-the-nambucca-coast-vide...

Best mate has been a Pro Fisherman for 30 years never have the numbers been greater or the amount of large ones

been more prolific. Not Tony Didio though but his "opposition"

Search "Tony Didio shark' on youtube

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ok, i see your point there

so then tell me how many swimmers get attacked when swimming in a patrolled area, between the flags?

i think that kinda matches your padestrian crossing to crossing anywhere else.

as for shark numbers of course there are growing numbers, we have stopped killing them left right and center, we have protected these magnificent beasts as we should have.

we are also stealing all their food as fast as we can go. i have often wanted to know just what is caught in the nets of trawlers, other than the 'good' fish we like to eat. i think it must be a case where we dispose of a huge amount of 'waste' that no one wants.

i have seen programs on tv where ive seen nets being opened on decks and there was a lot of stuff comming out that wasnt 'good fish'. does all this waste just get dumped back into the sea, now its mostly dead?

i think we are a very wastefull species.

so sharks are eating the odd human, a surprise? not really from where i stand.

[colic2bullsgirlore]

Not many people get bitten by sharks between the flags.... because when a shark is spotted the clubbies ring the bell or sound the horn....  and.. everybody is ushered out of the water

We have a Klaxon that wakes the dead. isn't it great that a volunteer service like the clubbies provide the "flags." and

shark alerts?... but the clubbies can't be everywhere

Few regional coastal council areas in NSW have a squad of retained lifeguards. Though school holidays  does

generally see some professional lifegaurds

The drone patrols are helping a lot in spotting sharks and alerting the public and it is tat the cutting edge of shark

patrols.

If you take the pedestrian crossing analogy further.

If pedestrians keep on crossing busy streets away from crossings and getting killed or badly injured (ie a black spot is highlighted) then the local council either puts in another pedestrian crossing or puts up barriers that make crossing impossible  except at the crossings.

Coastal tourist areas that rely on the tourist trade need at least one venue that is 100% safe to swim.  Ballina is such a place.

not nets everywhere..  but,

If you had one netted beach at the larger Summer tourist centres in NSW like

Balllina

Yamba

Coffs Harbour

Port Maquarie

Forster

just one beach out of the hundreds that are in or surround those areas on the NSW regional North Coast then it would greatly help the tourism industry in those areas through public confidence.

Most locals know to protect yourself from shark attack at least a little you need to  surf or swim at sensible times (not

sunrise or sunset) and be aware of your surroundings ie

get out of the water when there are large schools of bait fish about.

It's different for the tourists that come from the city... especially Sydney because... wait for it.... a lot of their city

beaches are netted and they don't think twice about  when, where and why sharks may be about, I bet many don't even

know the city beahes are netted

Re fishing My mate uses between 10 and 15 large fish traps and targets Snspper, Parrot Fish and Pearl Perch. Most by catch is kept if of a legal size or legal to catch inc Gummy sharks (Flake).The rest is released, generally alive

He also bubbles for Spanish Mackerel.

He recently spent over an hour "swimming" an estimated 70kg 9 about 1 metre long) Cod he caught in a trap that is protected.

He does the same with Groper.

[colic2bullsgirlore]

I guess we could just fence it all off and leave a gap in the middle and have a patrolled, netted beach where it was safe to swim... naah it will never fly