Shorten Deteriorating Fast

silverfaun
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Nothing surprising here regarding Shortens failure, I have been predicting ever since he became leader that he will fail because he is the product of a broken labor party.
 
 
He cannot move towards a fresh new ideas party, the Labor movement is tied to last century ideals and ideas and shackled to the unions who control it.
 
Shorten  and his front bench and the rest of the caucus  are languishing down amongst the detritus of the broken and failed policies of Rudd and Gillard, if they don't move forward they will stay down.

  Failing the pub test and deteriorating fast

 

BILL Shorten is failing the pub test. The Opposition Leader is shrinking in voters’ eyes at an alarming rate.

 

 

 

After a meteoric rise in voter satisfaction and a rapid pegging back of Tony Abbott as preferred prime minister in October and November, he has seen his personal support being rapidly lost and he’s no longer virtually equal on the question of better prime minister.

 

Gifted a natural Labor platform of thousands of job losses in manufacturing and the prospect of a hard-line Coalition budget, he and Labor are losing ground. The ALP’s rhetoric is wearing thin.

 

After almost six months at Labor’s helm, satisfaction with Shorten is on 33 per cent, virtually back to where it was when he began, after he defeated Anthony Albanese as Labor leader with a better parliamentary caucus vote.

 

More disastrously, dissatisfaction has jumped 19 points since October to reach 43 per cent last weekend and there has been no sign of a change in the trend.

 

After Shorten closed in on the “unpopular” and “unelectable” Abbott as preferred prime minister to get within a point — 37 to 38 per cent two weeks ago — Abbott again has a significant lead of 42 to 36 per cent.

 

What’s more, the trend of deterioration in Shorten’s support is accelerating alarmingly for Labor.

 

Since parliament began this year, Abbott’s downward satisfaction spiral has steadied, and rose again last weekend for the first time since October, but dissatisfaction with Shorten is rising sharply.

 

Most importantly, while Labor’s primary vote of 35 per cent remains ahead of its disastrous September election result of 33.3 per cent, it is only marginally so, with large numbers of voters apparently “parked” amongst supporters of the Greens and others.

 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/failing-the-pub-test-and-deteriorating-fast/story...

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how is that interpersonal?

Things are very different here now, aren't they?

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@azureline** wrote:

how is that interpersonal?

Things are very different here now, aren't they?


Well, yes it is a very different forum now, just ask the one's who have gone on very long long long holidays to Europe and China and other faraway places.

 

The goads and baiting has not diminished but the responses are  now avoided so there is no nit picking word that can be buttoned or a very polite decline to respond is now the norm.

 

 

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@azureline** wrote:

how is that interpersonal?

Things are very different here now, aren't they?


Looks like a pot / kettle moment. Or do as I say not as I do.

Shorten is not the best choice, imo, but the Labor members hardly get a chance to get their point across with the current speaker.

There is a definite double standard being applied in the reps these days.

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@silverfaun wrote:

@azureline** wrote:

how is that interpersonal?

Things are very different here now, aren't they?


Well, yes it is a very different forum now, just ask the one's who have gone on very long long long holidays to Europe and China and other faraway places.

 

The goads and baiting has not diminished but the responses are  now avoided so there is no nit picking word that can be buttoned or a very polite decline to respond is now the norm.

 

 


how are the responses avoided?

I am not sure the new regime is good for community spirit, it seems to stifle debate and hence interest.

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ca04
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Well that makes 2 major parties that are lost in the wilderness.

To be fair I have heard some smart things from non cabinet 

ministers in both parties so all we as a country need is a system

that would bring ability to the fore instead of the oldboys network.

Oh I forgot our constitution does that so now we need the parliament

to adhere to the constitution.

 

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@azureline** wrote:

how is that interpersonal?

Things are very different here now, aren't they?


the overused "interpersonal", a term used like "the wider community" it seems both terms are used when something can't be backed up with fact. "The wider community" always make me think of the diet industry. Woman LOL 

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It seems to me that some feel interpersonal is only if it is in reply to them, not what they write in reply. Similar to vitriolic speech etc.

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silverfaun
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  • Debate is stifled when a poster snipes the op rather than the topic.
  • Debate is stifled when a thread is derailed to the point that is no longer relevant.
  • Debate is stifled because some have a grudge against certain posters and never let up on the baiting.
  • Debate is stifled when posters spam scrollers.
  • Debate is stifled when posters resort to spamming derogatory photo shopped pictures.
  • Debate is stifled when the button pushers decend.
  • Debate is stifled as soon as a mod interrupts the flow of conversation.

So yes, the forums ar very different now.

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you neglect oversized  pictures someone posts. they border on screaming and are generally  misleading.

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the other point of course being that BP's are pretty much obsolete.

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