Shorten wants to cut ties with Socialism

Sorry Boris..... I guess you might need to find a new party..... 

 

 

 

BILL Shorten wants to restart debate on whether Labor should maintain its near-century-long commitment to democratic socialism and is open to removing the symbolic mission statement from the party’s constitution.

 

Although few inside Labor are prepared to call for Labor’s 1921 socialist objective to be abolished, former prime minister Paul Keating says it is no longer relevant. “It’s now such an anachronistic description of what we are or need to be as to not warrant any continuing ­attachment,” Mr Keating says in a new book. “Of course it should be abolished.”

 

The socialist objective describes Labor as “a democratic socialist party” and binds members to support “the democratic socialisation of industry, production, distribution and exchange, to the extent necessary to eliminate exploitation ... in these fields”.

The Opposition Leader is welcoming debate as part of his plans to rebuild Labor. He has described it to colleagues as being “as useful as a 100-year-old street directory” and of little value in economic policymaking. Although Mr Shorten does not see abolishing the objective as a priority, and ­acknowledges there is a range of views inside the party, sources say he does not see it as relevant to the party’s future.

 

At a Fabian Society forum in Sydney tomorrow, opposition Treasury spokesman Chris Bowen will reiterate his call for the objective to be abolished. “It’s time to scrap the socialist objective and have a clear, concise and modern explanation of Labor’s governing philosophy,” Mr Bowen writes in his book Hearts and Minds. “We can’t expect the public to be clear about what Labor stands for if we are not clear about this ourselves.”

However, many on Labor’s Left are opposed. ALP national president Jenny McAlister, from the Left, told The Australian she did not support altering the party’s core objective. “We should always be open to refreshing our philosophy and approach.

“My starting point in any debate will be support for social democracy.”

In an interview for Rudd, Gillard and Beyond, Mr Shorten said he did not describe himself as a “classical socialist” and did not support state ownership of the means of production.

 

The current objective was adopted three decades after the party was founded. It has long been contested and open to interpretation. In 1951, Labor resolved to pursue it only “to the extent necessary”.

The word “democratic” was added in 1957. A review in 1981 led to keeping the objective. Gough Whitlam, Bob Hawke and Kevin Rudd have also voiced support for the ­objective to be replaced.

Troy Bramston is the author of Rudd, Gillard and Beyond (Penguin)

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@boris1gary wrote:

no need to apologise to me catmad. You seem to be under the impression that I am a social democrat. I am not. I have never been a member of any social democratic party.

 

The socialist objective describes Labor as “a democratic socialist party” and binds members to support “the democratic socialisation of industry, production, distribution and exchange, to the extent necessary to eliminate exploitation ... in these fields”.

 


It would be appropriate for ALP to remove this from their platform as they haven't been a party of this ideal for many, many years.


In saying this i would support the social democratic ALP (which they will still be, with or without the clause) over the neo cons any time. Catmad, the ALP really isn't full of commo's, regardless of what the likes of bolter and jones may spew and scribble.

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@catsnknots wrote:

 

The issue I have is that the Labor party have great ideas but they don't always have the skill to introduce it within a budget that is reasonable. Classic examples are the NBN written on the back of a coaster and costed at what was it??? $4 billion?? and look at the cost now... and the Pick Batts scheme...a great idea that was positive but look at the outcome of that disaster. 

 

And Medicare... great idea but can we still afford to give everyone free access?? Even the Dr's say no and charge extra to the majority of people. 

 

Great ideas... 

 

and the point of the OP was really to let Boris know that the socialist ideal she has in the labor party is probably not going to be on Labors to do list for much longer... just letting her know. 

 

 


At least the Labor party are not afraid of ideas that benefit everyone.  That's a plus.

 

The myth that Labor don't have the skill to implement policy is just that a myth. It's a myth repeated, over and over, by the LNP and those with the power to set the media agenda to keep Labor down and the libs on a pedestal.  It's amazing how many people fall for it hook, line and sinker.

 

I came back to this because of the medicare comment.  Medicare is not a free for all.  It is paid for by the medicare levy which every taxpayer pays so that everyone can access quality health care services.  There are other ways of making savings or increasing the funds without hitting those who can least afford it.

 

Boris has always claimed to be socialist/communist not Labor.

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Boris has always claimed to be socialist/communist not Labor.

 


Boris always applauds Labor.... I felt sorry for her now that they are thinking about dropping the socialist connection.... she will need a new party to hold her values high. 

 

And on Medicare... that levy does not even nearly pay for the expense of many people that go to the Dr.... Medicare does not cover itself, it does not bring in enough money via the levy charged to provide the services that we demand. Hospitals, Dr, Specialists, now NDIS.... it does not have enough money and the rest comes from our income taxes or the GST... we need more money.. it is that simple. 

 

I wish people would stop saying that they pay for medicare via that levy and understand the truth. 

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@catsnknots wrote:

 

I wish people would stop saying that they pay for medicare via that levy and understand the truth. 


Why?

They do pay the medicare levy. The medicare levies contribute to the overall cost of medicare and can be increased if necessary.  People don't begrudge paying for a good health system.  

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