on 20-10-2013 07:20 AM
on 22-10-2013 01:33 AM
@**meep** wrote:
@donnashuggy wrote:Maybe indiginous Australians should call the rest of us illegals?
What would you think about that?
I have no idea...
You'd have to give me a crash course on customary and maritime law from 1770 first.....
Terra nullius => Legal Fiction
22-10-2013 01:37 AM - edited 22-10-2013 01:37 AM
The invaders of Britain from Normandy in 1066 could be called "illegals" except that they claimed a legitmate right.
on 22-10-2013 01:46 AM
The Sea Peoples, or Peoples of the Sea, are thought to have been a confederacy of seafaring raiders who could have possibly originated from either western Anatolia or southern Europe, specifically a region of the Agean Sea who sailed around the eastern Mediterranean and invaded Anatolia, Syria, Canaan, Cyprus, and Egypt toward the end of the Bronze Age.
However, the actual identity of the Sea Peoples has remained enigmatic and modern scholars have only the scattered records of ancient civilizations and archaeological analysis to inform them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples
Nothing new under the sun, eh?
22-10-2013 02:06 AM - edited 22-10-2013 02:11 AM
It seems as if today we have a "better class" of sea people; those who can buy an airline ticket to a country close to their desired migration target country, and from there, buy another ticket on a boat and sail to our shores, claiming asylum from persecution.
Persecution from what? For having more money than their fellows who have to stay behind?
I feel sympathy for those people who live in harsh conditions in other countries and I can understand their wish to escape to a relative paradise which is Australia, but how can they claim "refuge" here when they have already travelled through one or two relatively safer countries than the one they claimed to have escaped?
My understanding is that some of these people whose claim for refuge is accepted, later on go back from this safe haven to visit or holiday in the country they claimed to have escaped from. This seems bizarre.
Immigration has an economic effect on the country who accepts immigrants. It swells the population with consumers who stimulate the economy (of those who sell us stuff) but it exerts a downward pressure on domestic wages as those who have escaped from poverty find even our minimum wage attractive.
And for those who can't or won't find a job, it places a burden on our social security system.
I find this issue very personally challenging as I want to support those in real need but I also don't want to be ripped off by those who claim they are refugees but are really not under the Convention definition.
on 22-10-2013 06:51 AM
on 22-10-2013 07:13 PM
Sounds like the liberal party have an advertising exec telling them to rebrand asylum seekers as 'illegal' so the general public do not care as much about these people.
on 22-10-2013 08:06 PM
Still waiting for some UN statistics or statistics from any government on numbers of 'economic refugees' from Poddster.....?
Plenty of people use that phrase, noone seems to have statistical proof....
on 22-10-2013 10:19 PM
morrison thinks he'll call the tune, this is just the start of these voices
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DMyHNHUORI&feature=youtu.be
howard thought he'd ignore protests. howard lost.
on 23-10-2013 08:16 PM
No statistics or proof of economic refugees?
Still?
Maybe ask Andrew Bolt andAlan Jones, the bandie that phrase around allot......if you say something enough, it becomes true.
Just curious, if there are so many ecenomic refugees, Why hasn't three sepearet governments both addressed this and proved this as the case?
How are ecenomic refugees being found to be genuine refugees escaping the middle east and Sri Lanka?
Does not seem logical...