Should the Burqa be banned in Australia

nero_bolt
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Should the Burqa and Niqab be banned in Australia?

 

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Even before the embarrassing back-down there were problems. For starters, it's not a burqa. A burqa is that particularly Afghan garment, usually blue, with the mesh covering the eyes. The one you've seen on the news (or perhaps on Jacqui Lambie's Facebook page), but almost certainly never in Australia. We're talking about the niqab, common in the Gulf and worn by – my guess – a couple of hundred Australians. I have to guess, because we don't even bother with such basic research before we consider banning such things.

It says everything that we can't even get the name right; that merely to be understood in the argument, you must get it wrong. 

Of itself, it's not a big deal, but it symbolises the calibre of the public conversation. It's as if we're demanding a pernicious, industrial-scale ignorance. As if we're proud of it. We'll tell these women what their clothing signifies. We'll tell them why they wear it. We'll even rename it for them if we want. These women will be deconstructed and reconstructed at our will, and without their involvement. These are the terms of the debate and the most influential voices will be the most ignorant.

But ignorance is no barrier precisely because this debate really has nothing to do with the women being recast as some kind of problem. Strip it all back and they've done nothing to invite this. They aren't the ones charged with plotting "demonstration killings". They aren't the ones being busted carrying weapons or attacking police officers.  

They are, however, the ones most often assaulted or abused on the street or on public transport. They're the ones whose freedom we try most to restrict. 

In short, they become the symbolic target for our rage; the avatar we choose to represent a generalised enemy, and the threat it poses. In this, we obey what seems a diabolically universal principle: that whatever the outrage, whatever the fear, and whatever the cause, it is women that must suffer first and most.

So perhaps you'll forgive these women if they don't come out in droves to thank Senator Cory Bernardi for rescuing them from what he regards a "shroud of oppression" that "represents the repressive domination of men over women".

Perhaps you'll understand they see something other than feminist concern in these words; that Bernardi might look to them a lot like Lord Cromer did to the Egyptian women he colonised in the 19th century.

Cromer similarly decided Egyptian women needed emancipation, and that that they should therefore remove their veils. Meanwhile, back in England, he was the president of the Men's League for Opposing Woman Suffrage.

Before the change of heart it was a burqa ban (see, even I'm doing it now) in Parliament House. The argument was about security, but it's a thin pretext. If you need to identify someone entering the building, it's dead easy to do: you take them aside to a private space and ask them to reveal their face for identification purposes. Then you subject them to the same screening as everyone else.

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@village_person wrote:

Do try and keep up Peggy.


Grammar still wanting, Lothar

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Dozens of anti-Muslim attacks as Islamic leaders warn of community fear

Oct 10

There have been at least 30 attacks on Muslims – mainly against women wearing the hijab – in the three weeks since the police anti-terror raids and threats by Islamic State put relations between the Islamic community and mainstream Australia on edge.

Muslim community leaders are compiling a register of religiously motivated incidents, which includes reports of physical and verbal assaults, threats of violence against senior clerics and damage to mosques.

They claim "mistrust" with police had led to the real rate of anti-Islamic episodes going unreported and the threat of segregation for women wearing the niqab into Parliament had licensed a new wave of people willing to vent against Muslim women in public in recent days.

Muslim groups have begun arranging escorts for women to go shopping.

While national security agencies have been boosted with almost $650 million in new funding, Muslim leaders are critical of the level of police resources put into stopping hate crimes at street level.

Among recorded incidents, a woman was threatened with having her hijab torn from her head and set alight, a cup of coffee was thrown through the car window of a woman driving in a hijab, and a pig's head and cross were thrown into the grounds of a Brisbane mosque.
A mother in western Sydney was spat on and had the pram carrying her baby kicked, according to the list of incidents compiled by the western Sydney-based Muslim Legal Network and the recently launched Islamophobia Register

A list of verbal attacks includes a Muslim mother in Melbourne who was warned to remove her child from playing with group of non-Muslim children at a play park.

At least four mosques have been targeted with written threats, graffiti and thrown objects. Queensland has the highest rate of personal assaults and threats to mosques, according to the list.

Solicitor Lydia Shelly, of the Muslim Legal Network, said: "We have noticed an increase in attacks against Muslim women in public places, of those who wear a scarf or a hijab.

"As a Muslim woman, I am very concerned that this is impacting on the rights or perhaps the freedom of movement for Muslim women, because they simply do not feel safe any more. We have had property defaced. We have had death threats issued to our spiritual leaders and threats to bomb the mosques and things like that."

Ahmed Kilani, who edits the online Muslim Village publication, said it was "pathetic" that NSW Police had a single officer, Sergeant Geoffrey Steer, dedicated to "bias-motivated crimes", the category that anti-Islamic attacks fit into.

A police spokesman disputed that, saying each local area command took responsibility for bias crimes. He said NSW Police "has met with senior Muslim community leaders on a regular basis since Operation Appleby".

Ertunc Ozen, chief executive of the Australian Turkish Advocacy Alliance, said the focus on the attire worn by Muslim women was doing the work of the Islamic State by "telling our youth that they do not belong in this country and they never will"

It was also being used by "the more extreme elements in the broader Australian community who actually feel that Muslim people and Muslim thought are totally incompatible with the Australian way of life", he said.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/dozens-of-antimuslim-attacks-as-islamic-leaders-warn-of-community-fea...


"Do try and keep up "Peggy." ..interesting, same style of reply as another.
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@karliandjacko wrote:

@ufo_investigations wrote:

This thread is full of arguments for and against the burka I think there is a solution the government should make law.

 

A Bill should be introduced into Parliament to ban "all face coverings" everything and everything.

 

helmets, balaclavas, burkas etc....

 

Fines should be like this:

1st offence - warning

2nd offence - $500

3rd offence $1000

4th offence $10,000 + 1 month jail

 

If it is banned for everyone it is fair no one can say it is discrimination.


That wouldn't be fair. People wear balaclavas to work in cold spaces.

Brides sometimes like to cover their face before some point in the ceremony.

Bike riders like full face helmets so they don't munch insects or get them up their nostrils.

 

I can't see any good reason for such huge dramas over a couple of hundred burqa wearing women.  It doesn't seem like an honest non racist argument to me. It has people who have never seen anyone wearing a burqa feeling afraid and imagining that they are taking over our cities, therefore our country.  I think friendly dialogue is more likely to successfully lead to change than outlawing the garments.  The garments don't hurt anyone. 


Islam is not a race it is a religion of peace. How can you say it is racist?

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@karliandjacko wrote:

@ufo_investigations wrote:

They are trying to get me to eat halal but they wont eat bacon how do you work that out?


Who's trying to get you to eat halal?


I was crucified in the other thread "Living with the Enemy" when someone asked why Ben wouldn't eat halal. My reply was that could be because he is Catholic and then I went on to say that I don't eat halal because it is against my religion. Then a bunch of posts said that eating halal is not against my religion and so on... I don't eat it because the Bible is the word of God and that is what I follow.

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so ufoinvestigations, good luck with your new non Halal diet - it is very restrictive and you will probably need to speak to a GP about it first as the foods you choose not to eat are, (below) be careful about vitamin/mineral supplements as a lot of them aren't much use 

 

The following products are definitely Halal: 

1. Milk (from cows, sheep, camels, and goats) 
2. Honey 
3. Fish 
4. Plants which are not intoxicant 
5. Fresh or naturally frozen vegetables 
6. Fresh or dried fruits 
7. Legumes and nuts like peanuts, cashew nuts, hazel nuts, walnuts, etc. 
8. Grains such as wheat, rice, rye, barley, oat, etc. 

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crucified?

lol, no, asked for reasons and clarification.

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@boris1gary wrote:

so ufoinvestigations, good luck with your new non Halal diet - it is very restrictive and you will probably need to speak to a GP about it first as the foods you choose not to eat are, (below) be careful about vitamin/mineral supplements as a lot of them aren't much use 

 

The following products are definitely Halal: 

1. Milk (from cows, sheep, camels, and goats) 
2. Honey 
3. Fish 
4. Plants which are not intoxicant 
5. Fresh or naturally frozen vegetables 
6. Fresh or dried fruits 
7. Legumes and nuts like peanuts, cashew nuts, hazel nuts, walnuts, etc. 
8. Grains such as wheat, rice, rye, barley, oat, etc. 


"new non halal diet"?

 

This is not a new non halal diet. I have been doing this for years.

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Interested in what you would eat if you don't eat the above.

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Would be un-Australian not to eat Vegemite.
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