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bluetiger2212
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just because its Waitangi Day..


 


 http://youtu.be/YyYNneRU2VM

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the review of NZ's constitution is underway by stealth they are taking away our property rights and entrenching a false treaty into law...


 


 


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Hello, I am interested to know what this is about and your views .I haven't clinked on the Link.I will search that out myself and watch it when I have time.For the point of discussion and some info I will add a C&P for anyone who is interested.Please don't feel obliged to read it if it's of no interest and/or you don't want to 🙂


 


 


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10861947


 


Paul Moon: Exploding popular myths about the Treaty of Waitangi


By Paul Moon5:30 AM Tuesday Jan 29, 2013


 


One of the things that seems to survive largely intact over successive Waitangi Days is the set of stock misconceptions about the Treaty. Each February, a wide range of views on the agreement are trumpeted for a few days, and then, after that short burst of constitutional cacophony has died down, they are generally left to lie in silence for another 12 months.


This being the case, it might be helpful to clarify a few of the misunderstandings about the Treaty.


 


Here are six common assertions about the agreement which are manifestly incorrect:


 


1. The Treaty is the foundation of our system of government


This surprising gem was proposed by some members of the Maori Party a few years ago. It is, of course, demonstrably wrong. The system of government ushered in by the Treaty was characterised by there being no elections, no political parties, with most of the government's activities, policies and funding controlled by London, and with the Governor exercising near-dictatorial powers in the colony. The foundation for our current system of government was established with the passage of the 1852 New Zealand Constitution Act, which almost ignored the Treaty altogether.


 


2. The Treaty was not signed in good faith / Maori were tricked into signing it.


In the 1970s, the catch-cry of some Maori protest groups was that "the Treaty is a fraud." And while the slogan was eventually abandoned, the sentiment that some deception was involved remained.


Admittedly, there were occasions where Maori and the Crown had different understandings and expectations of the agreement.


However, all the available evidence demonstrates that Sir James Stephen, who conceived the idea of a Treaty with the chiefs, and William Hobson, who executed the instructions, acted with the utmost good faith.


 


3. The Treaty was an attempt to conquer New Zealand


The last thing Britain wanted to do in the 1820s and 1830s was to conquer New Zealand. Since Cook arrived in the country in 1769, Britain had every opportunity to assert sovereignty over New Zealand but repeatedly refused to do so. The costs were prohibitive, the advantages unclear, and British government policy was firmly against the idea. It was largely the wilful actions of the New Zealand Company in 1839 that finally forced the British government's hand reluctantly to initiate a treaty.


 


4. A French threat prompted the signing of the Treaty


The notion that a possible French threat to take over New Zealand encouraged the British to seize sovereignty of the country does not match with what is known of British motives for the Treaty. France's flirtations with New Zealand in the early 19th century never reached the point of penetration, and French officials were ambivalent about the opportunities New Zealand offered them. At the same time, the British knew that their Gallic neighbours had little inclination and less chance of making New Zealand a French possession. Indeed, a cynic might suggest that the French were a far greater threat in New Zealand waters in the 1980s than the 1830s.


 


5. The so-called "Littlewood Treaty" is the "correct" English version of the agreement.


There are good historical, textual, and circumstantial reasons that undermine the arguments of the supporters of this document, but one argument alone clinches it conclusively: the so-called "Littlewood Treaty" is an unsigned document, so by definition, cannot be a treaty (which necessarily are agreements signed by parties to them). However, this inconvenient truth has not stopped its advocates claiming that there is a conspiracy to conceal this supposedly "real" treaty.


 


6. There is a fourth article of the Treaty


The suggestion that there is a "fourth article" of the Treaty, which promotes religious freedom, emerged in the 1990s, and still clings tenaciously to some people's views about the agreement. Dame Lyndsay Freer, for example, referred to it just a few weeks ago. The "fourth article" is easily debunked, however. Neither the Maori nor English text of the Treaty contains this article. Also, there is no evidence from 1840 that anyone even considered the possibility of such an article existing. The exponents of the "fourth article" cite conversations held between Hobson and others at Waitangi as somehow constituting binding parts of the Treaty, but this is based on false reasoning and an impoverished understanding of international law.


 


Unfortunately, this list is just the tip of an iceberg that proves reluctant to melt away. However, maybe some people will use this Waitangi Day to learn more about the events behind the slogans, and acquaint themselves with the intriguing history that sprouts from the Treaty.


Dr Paul Moon is professor of history at AUT University, and the author of several books on New Zealand history.


By Paul Moon


 


 


How do you feel about this article OP ?

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It's pronounced "sex" not "six" LOL


Keep it nice, I might cry if you write anything upsetting (like not)
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Don't be cheeky, newstart:-D

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A French threat prompted the signing of the Treaty


The notion that a possible French threat to take over New Zealand encouraged the British to seize sovereignty of the country does not match with what is known of British motives for the Treaty. France's flirtations with New Zealand in the early 19th century never reached the point of penetration, and French officials were ambivalent about the opportunities New Zealand offered them. At the same time, the British knew that their Gallic neighbours had little inclination and less chance of making New Zealand a French possession. Indeed, a cynic might suggest that the French were a far greater threat in New Zealand waters in the 1980s than the 1830s.


 


I don't agree with that. The French sussed out New Zealand and travelled back to Akaroa, in the Sth Island to fly their flag, and claim sovereignty. The British arrived 6 days before them and beat them to it. There is a monument in Akaroa which attests to this fact.


 


My ancestors were some of the First French Settlers to arrive in Akaroa, NZ in 1840.


The street signs there are in French... it was more than a flirtation by the French with NZ, as mentioned in the quote.

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bluetiger2212
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izabsmiling as you quote Paul Moon referring to the Littlewood Treaty (as the document has become known)


 


The Littlewood Document is the Final Draft 4 Feb 1840 before it was translated into the TOW.  as you know the Treaty of Waitangi that was signed by 540 chiefs was written in Maori.  the Littlewood document gives the true meaning and interpretation of the TOW.


 


see this...


 


http://youtu.be/2PE-j9ZOhrg

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the review of NZ's constitution is currently underway, they are removing our private property rights by introducing the radical Bolivian Constitution, and entrenching a false treaty into law, now the pm says he wants to have a 4 year term in parliament.  the radical Marxist constitution panel seem to be the only ones whose opinons matter.. Kiwi's are not getting a say in this process!


 


 http://youtu.be/YyYNneRU2VM

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