Suggestion thread for Mr Abbott to stop the waste

[donnashuggy]

Like he promised

I personally think aboloshing the states is a good one. In fairness though that was not one of abbott's promises

What did he promise?

[lakeland27]

for one, pointless point-scoring royal commissions. 4 or 5 enquiries ought to be enough.

[*crikey*mate*]

continue to cut the red tape,  loop holes and just all the hoop jumping that a kid has to jump through in order for him to have access to the education that is most suited to his needfs and abilities, whilst still complying with what the dominant discourse prescribes.

[donnashuggy]

Which red tape did abbott cut that is both advantageous and waste saving?

[lakeland27]

red tape'  that means compromise on worker safety, environmental protections etc etc.  'cutting red and green tape' means removing all environmental and other protections . it means a free ticket to dig drill and rip up whatever the miners etc want without review. its madness, an open door to ebvironmental vandalism.

[*crikey*mate*]

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@donnashuggy wrote:

Which red tape did abbott cut that is both advantageous and waste saving?

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one example, I submitted one application with a couple of reports and a few signatures (took about a week to assemble and then about 5 weeks over the christmas period for a decision. (an approval for us) *Yay*

To achieve exactly the same thing for another child, it took me 6 years of red tape and hoop jumping and it still wasn't resolved until the policies were changed. (I have a child about to start their 3rd year of uni, (including credits, now awarded) whom the former government would not even acknowledge had finished school. They even withheld his senior certificate which has 42 points (you only need 20 to leave school) and refused to allow him credit for the courses he had completed at uni whilst he was still "enrolled at school"

This was just to let a kid study subjects such as math, science etc, beyond their grade level ie, at the level they had the ability to study, rather than the level that either their age or their school grade prescribed.

How many people and resources do you reckon were consumed in the first example as compared to the second example?

[fiestas*girl]

Tony who???

havent seen him for ages. I alsmot forgot he was our PM til I remembered he wants to sell off government assets without a mandate to do so....funny, he forgot to mention that pre-election....

[donnashuggy]

I don't doubt you crikey, so this government is making it easier to get into uni? Is that what you mean?

[*crikey*mate*]

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@donnashuggy wrote:

I don't doubt you crikey, so this government is making it easier to get into uni? Is that what you mean?

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sort of, but not without the ability.

BC was able to do the work. But the gov said he had to tread water, fought us and his school all the way.

so many incidents of just bizarre directives.

1) in grade 5, he was accelerated to grade 7 cos that was the level he was wiorking at in most subjects. However the school also did off level testing. Instead of making him go through grade 7 maths (for example) and then testing him at the end of the year, they gave him the end test at the beginning (lots of schools do this anyway to reveal major holes and areas needed to focus on) If he (and iother students too, not just him) could score 95% on the pre test, then they could "move to grade 8 math (but still be enrolled in grade 7 and take other grade 7 classes) and then they keep giving them the tests and when they stop scoring 95%, so the first test they effectively "fail" by getting a score lower than 95%, they drop them down a year level from that (unless they were really close, they might let them have a go at the higher grade iykwim)

In grade 7, he made it into grade 11 math B and Math C classes and Grade 10 Chemistry and Grade 11 Physics classes, but still took subjects like English and sport and art etc at the grade level ghe was enrolled.

he also completely skipped grade 9.

Then when he finished the subject to grade 12 standard, the local unis would let the kids in there to do the next level of the subject if they wanted... so in grade 10, he started Math at uni, and then later Cherm and Physics.
 but did his other subjects at school still.

(there were about 10 a year that do the uni thing from our school, other schools could do itn too)

but, halway through grade 7, the gov said he had to go back and repeat grade 5 (he had been sick in grade 4 and missed a lot of the year) (even though he was doing the work of higher grades)... (he did on paper, but not in classes iykwim)

so every step here, we had to fight the gov... just to let him learn some new stuff.

then they wouldn't let him (or these other kids count the classes they did at uni and receive credit fo them, even though they were all acheiving credits ior abiove (condition of participation)...

every step of the way, we had to fight to get him into the work he could do...

then when he did graduate, they withheld his senior certificate because he had skipped so many classes, even though he had proven mastery along the way, they had eventually incrementally given approval for the advanced placings. He got an OP score of 2, and got awarded in the top 3% of students nationally, and had already done a heap of uni subjects and gotten noth8ing lower than a distinction, and they wouldn't let him "leave school". They wouldn't even give him his senior leaving certificate (you get 20 points before your allowed to leave school) so I had to "pay" for him to stay at school in 2013 (the school never made me, but he did have to be enrolled) whilst he was at full time uni!

It has only been friday we got notice he would be credited all his uni subjects done and given his senior certificate...

his was extreme, but there wwere lots of kids caught up in this....

Now end of last year, school put in an application for MC to start uni for some subjects in 2014 while he is in grade 11, it was approved in 5 weeks. (he never skipped grades, but did do some subjects grade advanced), there are about 10 of them from differing school levels, not just him, and they already know that their classes will be credited to them for the relevant degrees..

ie.. BC did Math, Chem and Phys advanced, so the dif subjects were credited to the relevant degrees. so when he decided what he wanted to study at uni, any subjects already completed in that degree were already credited. plus the uni did some off level testing as well and credited some classes too.

Now they have given the control to the school. they go off the principals recommendations and any tests etc submitted (whatever they ask for) and it's that simple... if the kids can do the work, they're allowed to, they are not held back in a cookie cutter curriculum. they get a curriculum designed by people who know them (their teachers) at the level they can work at.

[*crikey*mate*]

it is generally acceopted that australian students are about 1 year behind their international peers, and qld and wa students another 12 mionths behind the rest of australia!

so how many other kids have been held back and not allowed to learn at the same rate and level as their international peers? just regular kids in mainstream schooling?

and then the giov wonders why our kids aren't on par with other countries?

and why education, which was our #2 export about 6 or 7 years ago, dropped down to #3, and last year (2011.2012) it dropped to #4

In three years, our income from education export has dropped from over $17 Billion, to $14.5 Billion. in just 3 years it lost nearly $3 Billion dollars