on 12-01-2014 12:25 PM
Teacher sacked for putting a student in a head lock despite being punched by the youth says staff are powerless
TEACHER who was sacked for misconduct including putting a student in a headlock after the youth punched him said the NSW education system left teachers "powerless to discipline kids".
Science and agriculture teacher Stephen Krix was fired from Riverstone High School when he fought back against a year-10 student who refused to work and punched him in the face during a class.
Mr Krix - a "squarely built" 51-year-old who had worked in various public and private teaching roles since 1989 - told The Sunday Telegraph he acted in self-defence when he put the "slight" student in a headlock during a science class in May 2011.
The incident came after the student refused to take off his headphones, told Mr Krix to f*** off several times and punched the teacher when he stood close to him with a worksheet and refused to move
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The incident was outlined in the NSW Industrial Relations Commission last Wednesday where Mr Krix lost an appeal against the sacking he claimed was "harsh, unreasonable and unjust".
In an interview with The Sunday Telegraph, Mr Krix, who now works in the security industry, said the public system was failing kids because teachers feared being sacked if they disciplined students.
He said students were leaving public schools without the self-restraint required to cope with post-school life.
It's a joke - that's why people are running to private schools," Mr Krix said.
"Eighty per cent of kids are screwed over by the state system because of a lack of discipline given to a minority of bad kids who disrupt classes," he said.
"You have to have zero tolerance … if a kid is behaving badly in the classroom he needs to be extracted and all the kids that are behaving themselves need to be able to get educated."
In relation to the student, Mr Krix said: "It's not like he's some sort of pathological killer … he's just a kid who needed discipline and wasn't getting it. If he's given the guidelines then he knows where the boundary is".
A NSW Department of Education and Communities representative told the commission Mr Krix should have stood down from any physical confrontation.
The representative said the Teaching Service Act meant that teachers had to respond to situations with the safety of students being the top priority.
A very true comment from a poster on that page....
The day will come when no one will want to become a high school teacher...it has been getting worse for years now.
Education will be via the internet for a teacher's safety .T
he students hold the power .
Has anyone got the guts to swing this around...I doubt it.
Then again, anyone who wants to become a secondary teacher in the public system ,I guess, deserves all that is coming their way if they haven't heeded the warning signals by now to AVOID this once great profession!
Solved! Go to Solution.
on 19-01-2014 09:24 PM
So his probation was extended? is how that reads to me.
Asked whether it was appropriate to sack Mr Krix and how he should react when a student punched him, a department spokesman said: "action will not be taken against teachers who act reasonably in their conduct while disciplining students".
"Teachers are dismissed in circumstances where their conduct towards students is extreme and could not be considered appropriate given circumstances at the time," the spokesman said.
on 19-01-2014 09:27 PM
NSW DEC
A probationary teacher is appointed to a school in a permanent full time or permanent part time capacity. Teachers who are re-employed following a period of separation from the Department are considered probationary teachers.
19-01-2014 09:30 PM - edited 19-01-2014 09:34 PM
37 In this same context I observe that Mr Krix was a probationary teacher when his appointment was annulled, his probation having been extended.
Yes, probation extended, not sure at what point - due to earlier incidents before the 'headlock' incident ?
The teacher challenged that extension. Easier to dismiss a teacher on probation that one who is not?
NSW DEC
Probationary teachers are assessed during their first year of service. A written report is prepared and submitted no earlier than the completion of two terms of service from the date of appointment.
If a probationary teacher does not satisfy the requirements of the position, the probationary teacher's appointment will be annulled.
on 19-01-2014 09:40 PM
From the IRC reasons for decision it is unclear why the probation was extended. However, at para 121 of the reasons it states that the events in question occurred within the first 20 weeks of the probation period. It appears the probabtion period was not extended prior to the events in question. I infer from this that the probation period was extended pending a finalisation of the review of his actions during those first 20 weeks.
19-01-2014 11:02 PM - edited 19-01-2014 11:06 PM
@icyfroth wrote:
@i-need-a-martini wrote:There must be more to the story.
A teacher wouldn't be sacked for an incident like this. Particularly given the alleged situation. They might be disciplined. They might be moved to another role in the education system. But they wouldn't be sacked.
I suspect the teacher had a history of doubtful behaviour and a long line of disciplinary reports.
You suspect?
I suspect you would be happy to besmirch a teachers reputation without getting all your facts straight first!
I haven't read the whole thing..
I've just read up to this and would like to ask if some are happy to besmirch children/teens without knowing the full story or really caring what it is...
just as some seem almost delightfully keen to think that the majority of Australia's teens are are stupid, undeducated,drunks and /or drug addicts who fornicate whenever and wherever possible ?
Must be great for the Confidence of Australia's children imo....and I remember thinking when I was a teen...if Adults are going to constantly accuse me of drinking and smoking when I didn't .........I will and did .
Perhaps some kids need some 'time' and positive messages ...
they (Children/teens) aren't always in the wrong
just as not all adults are in the right
however it is the adults who are supposed to lead by example and has a duty of care to the child ..intellectually ,emotionally and physically ...
I ask the older posters here
How would constant selective press and public attitudes ....make you feel ?
good ? happy ? angry ? sad ?
and remember that you are the 'mature' party
Love Today , you posted that Primary School isn't much better ..that the parents are the worst ?
are you a teacher by any chance ?
19-01-2014 11:12 PM - edited 19-01-2014 11:13 PM
I think, I will continue as is, discussing the teacher in the opening post and his dismissal. Others have been discussing the student(s) involved in incidents with the teacher.I think anyone would find that is what the majority of posters are discussing.
19-01-2014 11:28 PM - edited 19-01-2014 11:29 PM
Limit setting is a very important thing to introduce early in a child's education.
This should commence at home before a child reaches school age.
Regardless, a child needs to learn about what is acceptable and what is not acceptable behaviour in society.
Sooooo . . . if the kid wants to be a little sh it and make everyone's life difficult, then sure, put him in a headlock and kick him in the pants for as long as it takes to make him see reason.
That's only reasonable, isn't it? Why should he be allowed to make everybody's life difficult just because "awww, he's only a little kid"?
on 19-01-2014 11:37 PM
@acacia_pycnantha wrote:Limit setting is a very important thing to introduce early in a child's education.
This should commence at home before a child reaches school age.
Regardless, a child needs to learn about what is acceptable and what is not acceptable behaviour in society.
Sooooo . . . if the kid wants to be a little sh it and make everyone's life difficult, then sure, put him in a headlock and kick him in the pants for as long as it takes to make him see reason.
That's only reasonable, isn't it? Why should he be allowed to make everybody's life difficult just because "awww, he's only a little kid"?
Is it reasonable for an adult to put a child in a headlock and kick that child until he/she sees reason ?Is that an acceptable way to for a mature adult to behave in society ?Will teaching children that that is reasonable and acceptable help ...or could it help encourage them to kick out more in future ?
on 19-01-2014 11:41 PM
Speak roughly to your little boy
and beat him when he sneezes
he only does it to annoy
because he knows it teases.
on 19-01-2014 11:42 PM
did the teacher kick the boy while he had him in the headlock? I thought they "scuffled"