on 29-08-2013 08:54 AM
Tony Abbott drove Rudd to the brink then the Ruddster happily skipped over the edge. The weird moment when Rudd demanded a handshake & a promise from Abbott to "vote Labor"
Rudd needed a breakthrough but he really didn't have anything to use for a battering ram against Abbott.
Whether anybody wants to nit pick about who won the debate I say "who cares" but all the pundits except for the Biongiorno's of the media gave it to Abbott.
The alarming moment when he made foreign investment cuts, was policy on the moment & a frightening thought bubble & when he lied to the audience about the Garden Island closure he sealed his own fate.
Ch 7 gave it to Abbott 67% to Rudd 28% but hey! who's counting.
read on from Paul Kelly:
IT was a western Sydney audience and the questions better suited Tony Abbott. He was confident, on message, punchy, tighter and had the best of the third debate against Kevin Rudd.
The Prime Minister is faltering under pressure. After his highly dubious naval re-location policy on Tuesday, last night he produced an on-the-run populist switch in foreign investment policy to be tougher than the Coalition, warning against "open slather" in land.
This creates a dangerous moment in the election and for foreign investment policy.
Rudd's problem is that he cannot win on Labor's record and he cannot escape that record. There is now a palpable sense of desperation in Rudd's approach.
Last night the Opposition Leader delivered his best performance of the three debates. This is despite Rudd's ongoing success in attacking his unjustified and extravagant paid parental leave scheme.
Abbott was more comfortable than Rudd with the western Sydney agenda. Above all, he got two things right: he kept selling his policies as an economic growth/job creation manifesto and he hammered the idea of Rudd over-promising and under-delivering.
Much of the questioning centred on jobs, the economy, trust and small business
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Abbott was effective in depicting Rudd as a scare merchant; he mocked the Prime Minister's emphasis on long-range policy that failed to deliver upfront; he sold himself in contrast to Rudd as a future prime minister who would "under promise and over deliver"; and he dismissed the Labor years, saying "the circus has got to stop".
There may be a different atmospheric between the impression in the room and the impression watching on television.
Abbott, aware he was the front-runner, avoided any major blunder.
Rudd, aware that he had to strike a lethal blow, pushed too hard and was unconvincing outside the PPL scheme where an audience member asked Abbott the killer question about millionaires.
The emphasis on "spending other people's money" was ideal for Abbott.
When Rudd said he wouldn't apologise for having "vision", Abbott seized the opportunity: he invoked a "nightmare" and referred to Labor's record of failures from Fuel Watch, Grocery Choice, and trade training centres.
On foreign investment the Prime Minister is playing for the Bob Katter vote.
Rudd went out of his way to distance himself from Abbott's "free market" outlook. He wanted a "more cautious" policy on foreign investment in land than the Coalition.
Suddenly, Abbott looked Mr Responsible on foreign investment. Rudd wants those Katter preferences. Watch for a backlash against Abbott from the populist right. This is now risky and unpredictable.
This was the best debate of the three. The questions were different and more geared to western Sydney economic priorities.
Abbott spoke less than Rudd and stayed more on message. He was calm, measured and controlled.
The enduring impression was Rudd as challenger to Abbott as front-runner.
Labor has bet the house for nearly four years that Abbott would commit political suicide. Unsurprisingly, he didn't comply, yet again.
on 29-08-2013 01:40 PM
@monman12 wrote:FN: "Mathias Cormann is welcome to return to wherever he came from any time he likes."
"I would prefer leaders who are at least prepared to consider the wishes of the electorate than pigs like him who only care to please billionaires in return for favours."
I could be guessing, but think his comments on being circumspect in one's reflections obviously did not resonate with yourself FN.
My comments were not based on that comment alone. ABC have overdosed on him lately and every time he speaks it reminds me of a swarzenegger voice over person, with an attitude from a time in the past best not relived.
on 29-08-2013 01:52 PM
FN: "My comments were not based on that comment alone. ABC have overdosed on him lately and every time he speaks it reminds me of a swarzenegger voice over person, with an attitude from a time in the past best not relived. "
Not quite what I meant, as I was hinting at your comments "perhaps" being slightly less than circumspect e.g. " pigs like him who only care to please billionaires in return for favours."
on 29-08-2013 02:01 PM
@monman12 wrote:FN: "My comments were not based on that comment alone. ABC have overdosed on him lately and every time he speaks it reminds me of a swarzenegger voice over person, with an attitude from a time in the past best not relived. "
Not quite what I meant, as I was hinting at your comments "perhaps" being slightly less than circumspect e.g. " pigs like him who only care to please billionaires in return for favours."
They did not need to be, nor did I intend them to be.
on 29-08-2013 02:20 PM
Regardless who won, its the Australian people who will lose in the end, regardless of outcomes.
on 29-08-2013 02:39 PM
@freakiness wrote:
@monman12 wrote:FN: "Mathias Cormann is welcome to return to wherever he came from any time he likes."
"I would prefer leaders who are at least prepared to consider the wishes of the electorate than pigs like him who only care to please billionaires in return for favours."
I could be guessing, but think his comments on being circumspect in one's reflections obviously did not resonate with yourself FN.
My comments were not based on that comment alone. ABC have overdosed on him lately and every time he speaks it reminds me of a swarzenegger voice over person, with an attitude from a time in the past best not relived.
what i'm curious about is why a man would flee belgium , and why this experience would cause him to descriminate against genuine refugees..
on 29-08-2013 04:05 PM
Roy Morgan Reactor gives Kevin Rudd a decisive victory in tonight’s 3rd Leaders’ Debate
http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/5142-third-leaders-debate-reactor-201308281249
on 29-08-2013 04:09 PM
Can we use a phone app to vote in the future and use all the campaign money to dig us out the hole we are supposedly in?
on 29-08-2013 04:43 PM
Really all moot now. Rudd is a a goner & the names Mathias was called on here is pretty awful but not unexpected from some.
The howls of rage & disappontment will be horrendous & the boards will ring with the wailing after Labor is reduced to a rump. They can have the boards to themselves, I won't be participating in any of the baiting.
on 29-08-2013 04:46 PM
what names ? someone commented on his accent. its odd to hear such a thick foreign accent in the australian parliament thats all. couldn't they find a local ?
on 29-08-2013 04:47 PM
All in the mind?? Illusion?
Oh my dear Lord
Wake up to reality
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Australian Labor Party 11.50