Tutors

[donnashuggy]

I don't know if this is true but I hear a lot about it

For the record my children have never had a tutor, not because I was unwilling, it was offered to them.

I hear stories about children that were tutored heavily in years 11 and 12 and it helped them. But I have heard stories about tutors writing their essays and the list goes on.

My question is, does it create more university dropouts because these students are not really capable of doing the work themselves? Or is that a myth? Am I able to exclude Asian students from the example, as I know someone is bound to mention that they are also heavily tutored and have good success rates of continuing at uni.

[i-once-was-bump]

I used to do tutoring many, many years ago and that was just to bring maths students up to the level of their peers.

Other family members have tutored in both maths and science up to and including university level and none have ever done anything to help someone get a pass by doing the work for the student.

However maths and science are probably harder to get the tutor to do the work due a lack of essays.

We all did this just for spending money while studying so to help someone cheat would have had a bad effect on any of us with our own studies and I personally will never help anyone to get a better score than i did in any exam. LOL

[i-once-was-bump]

BTW some of the asian students being tutored are doing cramming to get high passes and cramming is an very ineffective way of learning anything. They are also cramming to get into certain schools and then they do find it hard to keep up.

Those students who don't need to be tutored and don't cram will always do better because they have got to the top using their natural ability and that ability will serve them well through all their future studies.

BTW what is this thread really about? I know there will be some reason but I am too tired to find out your motive for starting this topic.

[**meep**]

I cant comment on tutors writing students essays because i have never heard of such cases.

tutoring is extra teaching.  if a child struggles at school then, of course, extra teaching would be beneficial.

i have spoken to quite a few Asian parents who use tutors for their children.  Their opinion is, our schools don't teach them enough.

I can't argue with that.

[donnashuggy]

My question is, does it create more university dropouts because these students are not really capable of doing the work themselves?

I guess that is it.

[donnashuggy]

I guess it is one on one assistance so it will be beneficial regardless, but you don't get that at uni, unless you continue to get tutored?

[i-once-was-bump]

It doesn't create uni dropouts, more a case of students not being as good as one would have expected.

They will plod along and get their degree but they will not do anything outstanding while at uni and highly unlikey to do honours, masters or PhD.

[cherry*135]

I think you are generalising ( students who have extensive tutoring will dropout at Uni, not be able to do the work themselves) and there is no way you can leave any group/nationality/race out of a discussion of tutoring of school students.

I have no knowledge if the students in this photo had tutoring, but if they did, obviously it didn't cause them to drop out at Uni far from it.

All class: James Ruse students Gary Xu, Niroshan Jeyakumar, Steven Luu and David Wei Hu scored 99.95 in the HSC. Photo: Wolter Peeters
smh.com.au

[donnashuggy]

Have you been past Sydney Boys or Sydney Girls lately am3?

I purposely wanted to leave out Asians, not in a racist way at all. But there is a difference when the culture (generalizing again) encourages many many hours of tutoring and ours does not.

[cherry*135]

There will always be a small % of 'cheats' at Uni .. plagarism, copying someone elses essay from previous years, having another person write their essay for them (not just by tutors either, by paying someone to write it).. but they are just that a small %.

I don't see any major connection with the cheats and tutoring either.