Was Abbott eligible to stand for office?

The strange and suspicious case of Tony Abbott’s citizenship

 

http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/the-strange-and-suspicious-case-of-ton...

 

Why is the PM's chief of staff so desperate to prevent proof emerging about whether Tony Abbott is eligible to sit in Parliament? Sydney bureau chief Ross Jones reports.

You don’t want to be blocked by Mal Brough — look what happened to Peter Slipper.

It happened to Tony Magrathea when he posted a message to Brough telling him there was a serious cloud hanging over the legitimacy of his leader, Anthony John Abbott, to hold the highest public office in the land.

Magrathea is a Sunshine Coast-based blogger who doesn’t normally get involved in the political arena. He refers to himself as ‘The Ideas Man’ and his blog normally covers technology issues.

Born in England, Magrathea is about the same age as Abbott and, like Abbott, came to Australia as a £10 pom. Abbott arrived in 1960 aged three.

Before the last election, Abbott made a few comments that piqued Magrathea’s interest in Abbott’s progression from England to Australia, then back to England to Oxford, then back to Australia and a life in politics.

Magrathea noticed an odd thing: Abbott had been apparently granted Australian citizenship back in 1981 — as he was entitled to do, because while his father was British and he was born in London, his mother was Australian. This apparent change in status meant Abbott was now a dual British/Australian citizen.

1981 was the year Abbott ‘matriculated’ to Oxford, but he did so as a British citizen.

After Oxford, he returned to Australia and entered a seminary. The priesthood didn’t stick and, after managing a cement plant, and then some stints as a journalist, monarchist and apparatchik, he entered Parliament in 1994.

Section 44 of the Australian Constitution is clear when it says:

Dual nationality is considered an acknowledgement of allegiance and entitled to the privileges of citizenship of a foreign power disqualifies people from standing for parliament.

This is a provision strictly applied. In 1996, Jackie Kelly was forced to face a by-election after being found to have been elected holding both Australian and New Zealand citizenship. Employment Minister Senator Eric Abetz appears to have been elected to the Senate holding dual German and Australian citizenship before finally renouncing his citizenship after a High Court action has been commenced against him.

So Magrathea, in an idle moment, had a look around for the date Abbott renounced his British citizenship — but there was no apparent record.

 

He first turned to the National Archives of Australia who keep citizenship applications for everyone who applies to be an Australian citizen. These documents should record if Abbott had renounced his British citizenship at that time.

These are generally public documents available to all. However, in Abbott's case, the NAA decided to make the application file a secret document in February 2014.

Coming up blank there, he turned his attentions to the UK Border Office, part of the Home Office, which has a form called

‘Declaration of Renunciation of British Citizenship, British Overseas Citizenship, British Overseas Territories, British National (Overseas) Or British Subject Status’.

This declaration is otherwise known as Form RN and around 450 are completed each year.

In early May, Magrathea sent an FOI to the Home Office asking for Abbott’s RN.

They say they are still looking.

So, Magrathea put in an FOI to the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet. Having half a brain, Magrathea waited until Abbott ‒ and, more importantly, his chief of staff Peta Credlin ‒ were in Washington in June.

Things, according to Magrathea, were going well and he’d made contact with a Department staffer who was willing to help in his quest. Apparently, on the day the public servant was to formally respond to Magrathea with the results of his search, Credlin came home and went straight to the office. She immediately kyboshed the request and told Magrathea,

Magrathea posted a note to his Federal MP Mal Brough’s Facebook page, pointing out that any doubt over the Prime Minister’s legal right to hold office should be settled before the upcoming G20 Summit.

Brough blocked him.

He posted the same thing to the Attorney-General Senator George Brandis. Nothing.

He posted to Opposition Leader Bill Shorten. No reply.

He wrote to the Federal Police regarding a possible crime against the Commonwealth. Nil. He wrote to Governor General Peter Cosgrove. Nada.

On 1 August, Magrathea’s email account was hacked and all his emails were deleted.

What started as an innocent enquiry has begun to morph into something quite serious — and perhaps sinister. Certainly suspicious.

Abbott can clear the whole thing up in the blink of an eye, of course — just show us the RN and it will all be over.

But he and his camp followers don’t seem to want to do that — or allow others to release this information. We can only wonder why.

If the British Home Office come back to Magrathea and say they are unable to find the RN, things may move up a notch.

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probably paints

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@am*3 wrote:

Why doesn't Abbott or the authority that holds the relevant form RN just provide a copy of it ( if there is one) ?


because it's a distraction from something else, perhaps?

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@am*3 wrote:

He isn't an Australia citizen though (doesn't hold anr Australian passport).. not a dual citizen.


It's not having  the passport that makes one an Australian citizen, it's holding the certificate of citizenship that entitles you to one. 

 

Mr Abbott had to take out Australian citizenship to enable him to qualify for a Rhodes Scholarship. That gave him dual citizenship, whichever passport he chose to use. the question is whether or not he renounced his British Citizenship before entering parliament - as he was required to under the constitution.

 

I find it hard to believe he would have failed to do so, as he must have known it was a requirement; but if he didrenounce his British citizenship then it is very foolish of him, politically, to refuse to produce the evidence.

 

If he didn't, (and as I have stated, I find this unlikely) then the sooner he admits it the better, because the ramifications are very serious. If he is not entitled to sit in Parliament then any legislation passed by his government could potentially be declared invalid.

 

It is worth noting that the biographical entry on Gillard in Wikipedia contain the following statement:  In 1974, eight years after they arrived, Gillard and her family became Australian citizens. As a result Gillard held dual British/Australian citizenship until she renounced her British citizenship prior to entering Parliament in 1998. Abbotts Wikipedia entry contain no mention of citizenship.

 

This, of course proves nothing except that her people obviously thought it was important enough to include and Abbott's people did not.  It  may well  have been added after she was questioned about her status (and yes, I do know that anyone can edit Wikipedia) - but I'm sure minders  keep a weather eye on all  entries relating to heir high profile  pollies, and  it  is highly unlikely that they would have authorised  such an unequivocal statement or  permitted  to stand if they knew it was untrue.

 

 

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@azureline** wrote:

Semantics............. and distraction.


The same people asked about both leaders at the same time. 

 

Gillard's info is on the record and Abbott's wasn't so some started digging deeper.

 

 

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...called on Mr Abbott, who was born in London to a British father, to produce his British citizenship renunciation form.

 

So why doesn't he (produce it)?


i'm sure he'd be accused of producing a fake Woman LOLSmiley LOLRobot LOLMan LOLCat LOL

 

and anyway,mr magrathea,the prolific blogger himself

said he knew the contents of the actual form could not be

released but a yes or no answer would not be in breach

of privacy laws.

 

ninemsn contacted the PM's office and got this response:

 

"The Prime Minister is an Australian citizen and does not hold citizenship of any other country."

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It's not having  the passport that makes one an Australian citizen, it's holding the certificate of citizenship that entitles you to one. 

 

I am more than aware of that, being a person who was not born in Australia and who applied for and has been granted citizenship.

 

I was replying specificaly to a post by Boris 'that stated Mr B was a permanent resident of Aust/ Brit citizen. Therefore, he doesn't have an Australian passport and needs to get a visa for UK visits/return from the UK.

 

There is no doubt this thread topic is about whether Abbott has denounced his UK citizenship or not.

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I saw TA recently standing in front of Australian flag and making speech, what attracted my attention was when he said something along the line of:  "........... Australian flag we were born under,  Australian flag we fought under, and sometimes died under ................"   Really? 

 

And I agree, JG had to provide proof she gave up her UK citizenship, which she did with good grace; somehow I do not think the LNP would have been so stupid not making sure  all such formalities are in order.  These claims have been going around for a while so  why not show the certificate? 

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Didn't Abbott say..... the flag we will die under?

 

I will see if I can find what he said.

 

Abbott could give the date he renounced his British citizenship for starters.

 

edit:

 

Abbott  - Australian National Flag Day

 

"As Australians we are proud to say that we were born under this flag, have fought under this flag, have cheered for this flag and many of us wish to be buried under this flag"

 

Still, bit of a strange comment, the buried bit.

New Australians weren't born under the flag either.

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@am*3 wrote:

Didn't Abbott say..... the flag we will die under?

 


 

 

 

 


possibly, I was doing something and just saw that and thought:  he was not born under this flag, and as far as I know he never fought anywhere.  And the image of JG and her partner from the Julia at home series came to my mind ................  LOL

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Abetz didn't officially renounce his German citizenship until he had been elected for about 3 terms.

 

 

I edited my post above, added Abbotts quote.

True, he wasn't born under the Australian flag.

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