Welfare Reform suggestions

[donnashuggy]

Who should they target first? Or last?

[izabsmiling]

I wouldn't be accepting the job but then I wouldn't apply in the first place.There are times when my nocturnal activites aren't controlled by medication (not half as fun as it may sound lol) and I am not permitted to drive .From where I am I would need to be able to drive...the taxi fair would be too much and perhaps so too would be the fuel as I'm not and never will be a high wage earner.

[carls*world · Accepted solution]

Now there's some great ideas. Force someone to travel 2 hours each way to a job they don't like, while denying someone living closer who would like the job, and keeping them as a dole statistic.
But I suppose it's seen as "doing something".

If there really were these thousands upon thousands of mythical proper jobs just going begging, we wouldn't have this situation in the first place. The ones with "attitude" who don't really want to work, are merely reducing the genuine competition for the few jobs the many are seeking.

[carls*world]

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

Nearly every advertised job these days is email your resume to ........ so you take the time to email these employers for them to never even get back to you that they have recieved it let alone a phone call to let you know that you werent successful.  

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And then half of those statistical "jobs" advertised, don't actualy exist. Recruitment companies getting people on their books for single days here and there, maybe once a month, at half an hour's notice, advertised as ongoing, full time JOBS.

I wonder if these are what so many people are fooled into thinking are these "plenty of jobs out there"?

[donnashuggy]

Welfare reform should first look at taking from the rich and giving to the poor, not the other way around.

This government has got things around the wrong way, welfare is for the needy.

[izabsmiling]

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@carls*world wrote:

Now there's some great ideas. Force someone to travel 2 hours each way to a job they don't like, while denying someone living closer who would like the job, and keeping them as a dole statistic.
But I suppose it's seen as "doing something".

If there really were these thousands upon thousands of mythical proper jobs just going begging, we wouldn't have this situation in the first place. The ones with "attitude" who don't really want to work, are merely reducing the genuine competition for the few jobs the many are seeking.

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I agree and tend to think that it's the minority who have ":attitude" along with the non existant jobs that gives  the genuine job seekers a bad public image (to those who aren't well informed) which would/could enable a Government to get public support to believe that  those on benefits don't deserve them and/or get too much

[icyfroth]

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@carls*world wrote:

Now there's some great ideas. Force someone to travel 2 hours each way to a job they don't like, while denying someone living closer who would like the job, and keeping them as a dole statistic.
But I suppose it's seen as "doing something".

If there really were these thousands upon thousands of mythical proper jobs just going begging, we wouldn't have this situation in the first place. The ones with "attitude" who don't really want to work, are merely reducing the genuine competition for the few jobs the many are seeking.

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I don't think it's a matter of "forcing" someone to travel further afield or "denying" it to someone living closer . If that's currenly the only job available, then it should be applied for, rather than dismissing it out of hand because it's easier to get welfare. What if someone living closer isn't even interested or suited for the job?

I often think it's weird to be travelling out of the city while others travel in. Probably could swap jobs but it's not that easy, is it? Would the closer job suit? Would you suit the other boss?

[silverfaun]

Never being an addict or the recipient of welfare was my decision in life.

I decided I'd work and educate myself to rise up in life and not go the easy way out and hit the bottle or drugs or worse, have a couple of children to see me through life without ever having to work.

I found it rewarding and fulfilling to be that way and I have seen what sit down money does and I've seen the destruction of families who never worked from one generation to the next.

Propping up the lifestyle choices of addicts is the soft option of governments instead they should take an altogether different option and not keep enabling this lifestyle choice.

Getting well and being a productive human being is better than anything else. The victim status placed on addicts is enabling them to continue their destructive lifestyle.

The poor me I'm an addict is pathetic.

Ever tried to quit smoking?? I did and it was hard, the hardest addiction to ever overcome, more addictive than heroin, psychologically addictive,  and that drug is legal.

[k0llectable5]

And then half of those statistical "jobs" advertised, don't actualy exist. Recruitment companies getting people on their books for single days here and there, maybe once a month, at half an hour's notice, advertised as ongoing, full time JOBS.

I wonder if these are what so many people are fooled into thinking are these "plenty of jobs out there"?

Thats exactly right Carls.  The internet is rife with old listings as well.  It goes way beyond frustrating for people.  The bs one has to go through just to get a reply from a legitmate advertised job.  And I just cant stand how employers never leave a phone number or address these days, why all the privacy I wonder... Because honestly you can fill your resume with any old bs and email it to someone.  Until you actually get in there and show the employer what you can do it's all just fancy words.

In alot of cases it's still not what you know but who you know. 

[freakiness]

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@purple_haize wrote:

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@izabsmiling wrote:

there isn't transport in some places ...and not everyone can or can afford to drive .If I had to drive that far and I was a single parent I'd need childcare early in the morning ...that too is in short supply and  if there are places may be of llimited hours in regional areas.

anyone tried getting a fruit picking job in Vic ?

workers flown in from OS and paid next to nothing take many of them now.

remove the tape as our PM wants and that may happen more and more 

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fruit picking is usually done by the same people.........strawberries for instance....same pickers yr in yr out, same goes for  apples, apricots etc.

Backpackers are used also...........

I use to pick apples, my cousins kids use to go fruit picking every yr as well.

Where do you get they fly in people?

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In Tassie, with the high unemployment levels this year some flew in Tongans.

I know of 2 women and a few students looking for work who applied for jobs at the same berry farm as some of the Tongans were working.  None of the locals seem to have any luck getting work there.

None of the people I know who applied have any obligation to centrelink. By the time you factor in the unemployed there are plenty of locals to do the job. 

[izabsmiling]

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silverfaun wrote:

Never being an addict or the recipient of welfare was my decision in life.

I decided I'd work and educate myself to rise up in life and not go the easy way out and hit the bottle or drugs or worse, have a couple of children to see me through life without ever having to work.

I found it rewarding and fulfilling to be that way and I have seen what sit down money does and I've seen the destruction of families who never worked from one generation to the next.

Propping up the lifestyle choices of addicts is the soft option of governments instead they should take an altogether different option and not keep enabling this lifestyle choice.

Getting well and being a productive human being is better than anything else. The victim status placed on addicts is enabling them to continue their destructive lifestyle.

The poor me I'm an addict is pathetic.

Ever tried to quit smoking?? I did and it was hard, the hardest addiction to ever overcome, more addictive than heroin, psychologically addictive,  and that drug is legal.

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That's what I was talkin about up ^^^^^^^^^^^

The attitude that people make a choice to be on welfare ....think about the cost of living and the amount welfare recipients receive and consider what sort of 'lifestyle' that gives them .Barely surviving is not my idea of a lifestyle choice and not one I would take if there was any other option .

As far as paying the costs for addictions .Do you think the user pays a price ? What about those around them ? Is it fair of you or anyone else to suggest that other humans should pay the other costs (the costs that matter or should where the Health Care System is involved...those which are  related to 'life' ?

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 Dr Gruenert said "We all know that in those weeks and months, anything can happen. They might lose motivation, they might harm their child, their family might kick them out of home, they might engage in high-risk behaviour or get a dodgy batch of heroin and overdose. Any of those things are possible."

In a blunt budget submission to the state government, chief executive of the association Sam Biondo said funding for drug and alcohol services was "grossly untenable and unfair". He called for a review of deaths and waiting times for care.

"The benefits derived by treatment are felt not just by the individuals, their families and loved ones but by the rest of our community as well," he wrote.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/drug-addicts-die-waiting-for-treatment-20120319-1vfxu.html#ixzz2us...