What About The Children?

[the_great_she_elephant]

I am amazed and disgusted that in all the indignation over what Gillian Triggs should or shouldn't have done or who said or didn't say what to her, not ONE SINGLE POLITICIAN  except, finally, Malcolm Turnbull, has commented in any way on the contents of her report..

She found that  over a 15-month period from January 2013 to March 2014, spanning both the Labor and Coalition governments  there were 233 recorded assaults involving children and 33 incidents of reported sexual assault. 

If these findings are true - and as far as I know nobody has so far disputed them -   then what is going to be done about it? Who had the duty of care? who is going to be held responsible. What measures are going to be put in place to stop this abuse happening in future?

Both Gillian Triggs and George Brandis are astute and comparitively wealthy adults able to instruct top  legal practitioners to protect their reputaions - but who is going to protect the safety of these children? How many more children have been abused since March 2014? Is a child perhaps being abused in a detention centre  even while you are reading this post? 

Surely to goodness after all that was learned from the Children In Care Royal Commission this report cannot simply be put in a "don't want to know" basket while both sides of Pariament try to gain political mileage out the motives of the Human Rghts Commissioner or the behaviour of the Attourney General.

At some point -though probably not in the lifetime of this government  or even  the one that follows it - there will inevitably be a Royal Commission into the treatment of children in detention centre. what do you imagine its findings are likely to be?

[vicr3000]

GSE

Sound along the right lines.

At least it is getting them out and we are thinking outside the box.

What the Gov't doesn't want is legal objections if and when they say No.

I think that's one reason they don't let them out.

And of course they dissapear. !

POLKS

Sorry, my mistake addressing you.

[Anonymous]

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@polksaladallie wrote:

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

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@polksaladallie wrote:

Stop talking in past tense.  There have been for decades tens of thousands of illegal immigrants.  There are now, and there always will be.  Most flew here, some with children.  Many are in detention.

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provide the statistics please.

who are the majority in immigration

detention centres?  by who i mean

the arrival type. 

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I will humour you and be your secretary because you might be unable to google.

The figure of illegal immigrants hovers around 50,000 each year.  Many of these people are hiding.  And as I have shown, they flew here.

In detention December 2014

Maritime arrivals    2121

Other                    636

http://www.immi.gov.au/About/Documents/detention/immigration-detention-statistics-dec2014.pdf

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the reason why i asked you for the statistics

is because you laughed at the information

i posted.   the above information is not current.

the one i posted - is - so still don't know why

you laughed  

[polksaladallie]

Where do you think the other 50,000 are?

[idlewhile]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@gleee58 wrote:

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@idlewhile wrote:

This is not really about  children otherwise Triggs would have initiated this inquiry when thousands of kids were in detention.

So don't try to talk about "the children" when the leftists on here never uttered a word before, never murmured when Rudd and Gillard opened up our borders to the death and destruction of families for 6 years. 

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That is patently incorrect.  

Why do you tell lies about Triggs and the AHRC instead of looking at the facts?

Links to the facts have been posted in this thread.

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I give up.

So much has been posted on this thread that debunks the ridiculous statements made and yet the same ridiculous and incorrect remarks keep being made over and over.

Do  people actually READ anything? Or do you think that all the info you could ever possibly need is provided for you in incorrect but easy to digest gulps of info from the shock jocks?

It just shows what little thought processing is actually happening.

Thank goodness we are the 'lucky country' cause we sure as hell aren't an intelligent country.

And of course the heartbreaking thing is that all this garbage that keeps being repeated does NOTHING to help those poor munchkins still being held in their prisons.

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My understanding is that "those poor little munchkins"  are being held there because their parents brought them with them in an attempt to enter Australia illegally.

What is actually meant by "free the children"? Take them away from their parents and foster them to families in Australia. Release the families with children to Australia, even though they have been detained for trying to enter Australia illegally and so must be detained until their processing for entry is complete?

Do you not see how this would open the floodgates to people using children as a way to bypass Australia's border protection laws?

My further understanding is that the number of children in detention has actually been reduced from around 2000 to just over 100 under the Liberal government.

What's with the outrage about the children left, when it's only a matter of time until they too can be released?

Do you 

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Spot on icy but its the same old mantra from Labor and the left. Ignore the truth and just use "poor little munchins" as an excuse., they do it all the time.

Funny how none of the left worried about the thousands of "poor little munchins" in detention under Labor. How "poor little munchins" drowned under labors rule.

Hypocrite comes to mind evey time I hear children used as an excuse to run a leftist line.

[idlewhile]

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@gleee58 wrote:

It is simple yes. Simple does not equate to fact.

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Its factual or would you rather the ABC fact check  it.... the truth is put right under your nose but you still blindly ignore it.

[idlewhile]

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@polksaladallie wrote:

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@vicr3000 wrote:

glee

I can't believe you said that.

Please explain how if no one is in detention abuse can still occur in detention ??????

And how can it be removed from fact when if no boats come, their is no one new to detain.

I await your reply.

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There were people in detention long before any boats arrived, and there will be people in detention long after any boats are stopped.

Why do you people fixate on boats?

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Ther was 4 people in detention when Labor came to power. No children were in detention. FACT.

[idlewhile]

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@gleee58 wrote:

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@punch*drunk wrote:

Imagine the trauma the poor little mites went through while their parents dragged them across the seas on a leaky boat past many other safe havens. Personally I think that in itself constitutes child abuse and yet nobody seem to be up in arms about that. By all means take the children from camps and place them in foster care here, but dont return them to their parents until they have proved suitability.

Any Australian parent that willingly risked the lives of their children would probably have them removed from their care until they could prove themselves.

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Would you stop at the first refugee camp you came across knowing that you would be staying there forever, that those who hunt you could find you there, that your kids would get no education, that there is no hope of finding work or a home, the your grandkids would be born there if not by marriage by rape?

Not me. I'd take my chances on the boat because that sounds worse than death.

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Emotive rubbish, it's called first world county shopping.

[the_great_she_elephant]

you don't seem to understand that 

this is about the length of time people

are locked up in detention centres - in particular -

children.

the reason for that is - they arrive here without

documents.

Actually the thread isn't about that at all it's about a report that found that over a twelve month period 233 children had been abused while in detention centres - 33 of them sexually. An obvius inference being that if this happened over a twelve month period what must the statistics be like for the period going back to 1992 when the centres were first set up (under the Keating Government) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_detention_in_Australia

Given the that numbers over that short period are so alarming, it isn't really relevant to know  exactly how many were abused or whether the perpetrators were, family, staff or other inmates,  The fact remains that, while these children may have been sharing accommodation with their parents, they were not legally in the care of their parents. They were in Government institutions, in the custody and therefore presumably the guardianship of the Immigration Department - just as the children in those care homes were in the custody and guardianship of the state and/or Church organizations

The only aspect of this scandal that has not so far been mentionedby anybody here is the involvement of  the companies running these centres. They were the ones charged with the day to day running of these centres and the welfare of the inmates.  They were the ones to whom any complaints would have been made. And given what we now know  about the care homes it would be naive in the extreme to imagine that complaints were not in fact  made and summarily dismissed.

[polksaladallie]

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@idlewhile wrote:

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@polksaladallie wrote:

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@vicr3000 wrote:

glee

I can't believe you said that.

Please explain how if no one is in detention abuse can still occur in detention ??????

And how can it be removed from fact when if no boats come, their is no one new to detain.

I await your reply.

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There were people in detention long before any boats arrived, and there will be people in detention long after any boats are stopped.

Why do you people fixate on boats?

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Ther was 4 people in detention when Labor came to power. No children were in detention. FACT.

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4?      

Figure 26: People taken into immigration detention from 2004–05 to 2007–08

http://www.immi.gov.au/about/reports/annual/2007-08/html/outcome1/output1-5.htm

[Anonymous]

the length of time the children are being kept

in detention is the underlying issue.

"The Government is disappointed and surprised that the Australian Human Rights Commission did not start this inquiry until 2014, considering the problem was at its most acute prior to the 2013 election, when the number of children in detention peaked at 1,992 under the former Labor Government in July 2013," he said in a statement accompanying the tabling of the report in the Senate.

But the commission's president Gillian Triggs defended the timing, telling a press conference that when the number of children in detention reached its peak in July 2013, children were being held only for a short period of time and were being released in their hundreds.

"However, it became very sadly clear that in the months following the election of a new government, very few children were being released and the length of time for which they were being held was reaching quite exceptional levels," she said.

Did the time children were held in detention increase after the Coalition government took office? ABC Fact Check investigates.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-23/triggs-detention/6083476