on โ09-07-2019 09:15 AM
on โ09-07-2019 10:32 AM
It's interesting that you have not mentioned the 27 PROVEN trips with Epstein taken by Clinton, most of them without his ss staff!
One trip was taken by President Trump who then went on to ban Epstein from his home.
Your bias is really showing.
on โ09-07-2019 11:01 AM
When you say birds of a feather flock together, I believe that is true.
But I think the thing all these people had in common was wealth and power. They moved in those circles. The circles of enormous wealth.
It doesn't mean they were all necessarily close friends or that they knew all the private details of each other's lives. You can bet that if this man Jeffrey Epstein was up to sordid stuff he didn't go around advertising it to everyone.
There have been a lot of cases in the media over the last few years where famous people have been outed.
I think it is like any other crime in that if you have enormous wealth, you can afford the very best in legal representation and you're more likely to get away with it or get an easier sentence than your average person.
on โ09-07-2019 12:23 PM
What I find interesting is how the media play us, we fall for it, and make judgements ever so easily.
While I don't know, I would bet heaps that The Beatles, the Stones, many famous solo artists and
many famous actors had sex with underage kids during their peaks. And I am referring to male and
female performers. The evidence to suggest this was probably the case with The Beatles is
overwhelming. Just look at the videos of the screaming fans, the 'groupies', listen to the many
interviews they gave, and consider their admissions about the after concert celebrations in the hotel
rooms. Paul McCartney is revered for his sexual conquests.
But we didn't question or scream about the age of the kids back then. Why not? I guess the power of
social media has broadened our thinking, our morals have changed (maybe) and we now have
platforms to express our outrage and contempt.. Personally I think that is a good thing and anyone
found guilty of having sex with an underage person deserves the punishment they are given. Yet, in
my lifetime I have noticed such changes in us and I don't know what it means.
on โ09-07-2019 12:36 PM
on โ09-07-2019 12:50 PM
@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
"The evidence to suggest this was probably the case with The Beatles is overwhelming"
Evidence? Please enlighten us.
Oh, do your own homework myoclonic1cjerk. If you want to be enlightened then get on youtube
and start watching. There are literally dozens if not hundreds of interviews, accounts etc on
The Beatles. There was even an Australian documentary on their concerts in Australia where
(now) women spoke about their hotel room achievements with The Beatles in Brisbane (I think).
It was shown on commercial TV. If it doesn't add up for you then believe what you choose.
on โ09-07-2019 07:22 PM
on โ09-07-2019 07:24 PM
on โ11-07-2019 08:09 AM
on โ11-07-2019 08:34 AM
I think not for sale is right and the Beatles were definitely guilty of having sex with young women.
I too have read interview accounts. One was a society girl, very wealthy, who says she had sex with 3 of the 4 Beatles and there were other girls lining up. I think she was about 16 or 17 at the time.
Thing is, the Beatles themselves weren't that old-maybe early 20s?
I doubt the age of the girls was vetted. The girls were keen so they were allowed into the rooms. As far as I can tell, I don't think the men would have been interested in a little girl eg a 10 year old. But teen girls of any age seem to have been fair game.
The Beatles would not have been the only ones. It was probably rife across the industry.
I don't know that it was something that was openly exposed all that much by the media. Sure, they talked of groupies but there was never any thought, as far as I am aware, of prosecutions or checking the girls were over 18.
And that is where our norms have changed. It's why so many older men in positions of power, whether that was through wealth, business, entertainment industry, clergy etc should be worried. Because back then, it was seen as okay if a girl was keen and if she wasn't, a lot of them believed they could get away with it because of their power. But the social rules have changed and are retrospective.
It's not that the actual laws have changed so much, more that people aren't as ashamed or willing to sweep it under the carpet any more and are more likely to prosecute.
I think of some things as having been almost in a blind spot, where we didn't notice or didn't attend to details or else they were considered okay. Over time, things change. Someone voices a disagreement and at first they are considered weird or a troublemaker but then others come round to that and eventually it is an avalanche and becomes the general opinion.
Just think how many other attitudes have also changed since the 1960s-towards women in the workplace, racial bias, whaling, recycling, marriage, living together etc