Where Australia stands at present with COVID-19

[go-tazz]

The numbers and the graphs on how we are going and it seems to be on a downward trend for new cases so

hopefully we don't get to many new cases brought on by further idiocy and people that just wont listen.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

[rogespeed]

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@not_for_sale2025 wrote:

rogespeed, India shares a 3.5 thousand kilometer border with China.

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mountainous wild terrain - and they do not casually solialise with Chinese over their border , is not dislike , is physically impracticable given no motive , economic or otherwise , so may I ask is your point ?

[*kazumi*]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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More ppl starved to death under the British Raj (millions) than will ever die from Covid 19.

I think you'd be surprised that modern India is quite prosperous and it's people are very well educated. Probably better than ours.

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Actually, NO, I would not be surprised by modern India.  Lots of people are well educated, but lots, like millions, are not and many work in sweatshops, which are now being closed.  As are the call centers for PP and other companies.   There are still slums, and some of the modern India was built where slums used to be, basically throwing the inhabitants on the street, many  homeless scrounging the rubbish tips and sleeping under bridges etc.

[rogespeed]

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@debra9275 wrote:

the Chinese definitely under-reported Roges

NFS.. speaking of history...  this is in interesting read

https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/1918-flu-pandemic

kazumi I do remember him shooting drug addicts

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Relative to western expectations they most likely did under-report - maybe like people who died in their units , people that got turned away , unworthy people - as for prisoners ? what prisoners ? no tests , how can one tell ? neo-zen-logic

If interested and you have access to a Wuhan phone directory just phone around randonally and if no answer or offline .... make your own accounting conclusions

[icyfroth]

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@*kazumi* wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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More ppl starved to death under the British Raj (millions) than will ever die from Covid 19.

I think you'd be surprised that modern India is quite prosperous and it's people are very well educated. Probably better than ours.

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Actually, NO, I would not be surprised by modern India.  Lots of people are well educated, but lots, like millions, are not and many work in sweatshops, which are now being closed.  As are the call centers for PP and other companies.   There are still slums, and some of the modern India was built where slums used to be, basically throwing the inhabitants on the street, many  homeless scrounging the rubbish tips and sleeping under bridges etc.

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Not too different from Australia then, or the US.

How many homeless do we have, and how many scavenge the rubbish bins?

And how many more will we have once the lockdowns and closures throw more and more ppl out work and unable to pay their rent?

[rogespeed]

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@rogespeed wrote:

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@debra9275 wrote:

the Chinese definitely under-reported Roges

NFS.. speaking of history...  this is in interesting read

https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/1918-flu-pandemic

kazumi I do remember him shooting drug addicts

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Relative to western expectations they most likely did under-report - maybe like people who died in their units , people that got turned away , unworthy people - as for prisoners ? what prisoners ? no tests , how can one tell ? neo-zen-logic

If interested and you have access to a Wuhan phone directory just phone around randonally and if no answer or offline .... make your own accounting conclusions

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I read the data via the link and I was reminded of the saying " the more things change, the more things stay the same"

Was incredible the counter-measures taken and how many times is similar to current mitigation efforts - i suppose so much is still valid.

The world population then was est 1.8 billion

[go-tazz]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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but it has a high recovery rate, and I do think placing the world in lockdown and destroying world economy is a total overreaction.

Not it hasn't.

The flu has a point 1% death rate this virus has over a 1% death rate so it kills ten times as many people

that get infected compared to the flu.

The reaction will show one way or the other depending on when it slows down or a vaccine is created but

action seems to be much better than no action which is what India seems to be doing.

Don't forget India's population is much younger and vigorous than ours and has been exposed to a much higher rate of disease than our Western countries, so it's only natural they're not panicked as much we ar

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They've done nothing to slow it and it's starting to accelerate now and considering how close they seem to live

it could become a very big problem very quickly.

India has basically just started eg,March 14th compared to Aus who "started on Feb 29th:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/

To put it into perspective is if we had done nothing from the start and all of the population got infected then

1% of the population and the death toll could be up to 250.000 people.

[not_for_sale2025]

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No I didn't.

What I was trying to highlight was the difference between the total on March 20th and now. The leap is pretty significant and suggests their approach is limited in it's value too. But for a country with 1.3 billion people, which is on par with China, they are doing reasonably well.

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One common factor is whether a region is suffering flu season - India I suspect has a late flu season , as seems more like a southern hemisphere country - is a major factor as to why we have got off lightly so far

But their recovery rate is very high for early infection time 117/328 compare with UK 4934/135

but a few days ago 600 now over 4000

Who knows where it will end for them ?

As for us - we source many medicines from India

"mountainous wild terrain - and they do not casually solialise with Chinese over their border , is not dislike , is physically impracticable given no motive , economic or otherwise , so may I ask is your point" ?

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rogespeed are you for real? I have absolutely no idea what you are going on about. Tas help LOL.

I made mention that India and China share a border in response to your comment that India, you suspect, has a late flu season. D'oh, that therefore would probably apply to China too.

You may ask my point, I give you permission this time. But please not again, you make my head hurt.

[rogespeed]

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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
Climate means diddly as far as this virus goes. Brazil has seen its numbers rise dramatically over the last few days. Bolsonaro is a major twit who keeps pressing the same line i.e it's just a flu. His party should dump him or the military should do it. My guess is their testing numbers are very low and that place is a ticking time bomb.
You have to wonder how many of those workers in India who were laid off and made their way back from the cities to their villages are spreading the virus far and wide.

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Winter time so high viral loadings , lower human metabolism , also factors observed : High air pollution , high density living , high density social gatherings, 

Climate indirectly influences capacity of people to resist infection. Folk logic - when do you get a cold ?

Brazil climate entering wet season , wet clammy overcast

India getting warmer leading to monsoon season

[*kazumi*]

For anyboy who does not understand how bad this virus is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J0d59dd-qM&feature=share

[rogespeed]

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@go-tazz wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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but it has a high recovery rate, and I do think placing the world in lockdown and destroying world economy is a total overreaction.

Not it hasn't.

The flu has a point 1% death rate this virus has over a 1% death rate so it kills ten times as many people

that get infected compared to the flu.

The reaction will show one way or the other depending on when it slows down or a vaccine is created but

action seems to be much better than no action which is what India seems to be doing.

Don't forget India's population is much younger and vigorous than ours and has been exposed to a much higher rate of disease than our Western countries, so it's only natural they're not panicked as much we ar

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They've done nothing to slow it and it's starting to accelerate now and considering how close they seem to live

it could become a very big problem very quickly.

India has basically just started eg,March 14th compared to Aus who "started on Feb 29th:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/

To put it into perspective is if we had done nothing from the start and all of the population got infected then

1% of the population and the death toll could be up to 250.000 people.

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No , would be much more as severe cases would surely die without hospital care

how many worldwide suffer the following and even with hospital care the % dying is

• 10.5% for people with cardiovascular disease
• 7.3% for people with diabetes
• 6.3% for people with chronic respiratory disease
• 6% for people with hypertension
• 5.6% for people with cancer

Imagine without hospital care , imagine the numbers infected without any mitigation