Who do YOU Consider as Christians?

[the_bob_delusion]

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[i-need-a-martini]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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@**bob_is_good** wrote:

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Hey Bob, haven't you got anything better to do than CONTINUALLY BATE those who have a belief in God?

You have obviously chosen to NOT believe, and that is your choice.

Other have chosen to believe and that is their choice.

I have lost count of the number of threads you have started over the years - and their common purpose is always: "Let's Bate a few believers and watch them squirm. Let's see how many of the believers that we can destroy".

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I don;t think Bob baits. Given his subject matter, it seems he is genuinely interested.

Certainly they are nearly always questions I find interesting enough to see what everyone elses opinions are.

[curmu-curmu]

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@tasfleur wrote:

I think the person of Jesus was a very nice (and radical) man who wanted to 'change the world' as he knew it and make a difference.

He was most likely very skilled in the healing and lecture circuit arts, charasmatic and therefore easy to follow in terms of most of his teachings.

Whether or not he performed 'miracles' such as walking on water, or changing water into wine, rising up from the dead (?) etc is all up to the interpreters of the authors over the centuries.  Then again, the human condition in many cases, not all, desperately desires such man made history to be true.   Perhaps that is what some people need to get through their lives.

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It's also very interesting to research the topic of The Bible being the latest plagiarism of tales told for centuries prior to the advent of Christianity.

So many, many similarities with so many other tales, it's too much of a coincidence to be a coincidence!

But as Bob said, perhaps I've just 'taken it out of context'!

[i-need-a-martini]

In regards to the question, I think Christians are those that interact with the world and those around them with personal humility,  equality and respect.

[i-need-a-martini]

Actually I take back my last comment.

On thinking about it further, the people in my life that have those qualities are all atheists lol!

[the_bob_delusion]

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@curmu-curmu wrote:

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@tasfleur wrote:

I think the person of Jesus was a very nice (and radical) man who wanted to 'change the world' as he knew it and make a difference.

He was most likely very skilled in the healing and lecture circuit arts, charasmatic and therefore easy to follow in terms of most of his teachings.

Whether or not he performed 'miracles' such as walking on water, or changing water into wine, rising up from the dead (?) etc is all up to the interpreters of the authors over the centuries.  Then again, the human condition in many cases, not all, desperately desires such man made history to be true.   Perhaps that is what some people need to get through their lives.

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It's also very interesting to research the topic of The Bible being the latest plagiarism of tales told for centuries prior to the advent of Christianity.

So many, many similarities with so many other tales, it's too much of a coincidence to be a coincidence!

But as Bob said, perhaps I've just 'taken it out of context'!

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I'm actually looking at modern scholarship. It's interesting to find around Jesus' time, there're several  risen Mesiah stories spreading around.  A lot of these predate Jesus. If I said to you born on the 25th, had 12 disiples , turn water into wine, died and risen 3 days later, born of a virgin etc etc, these all came from other pagan or greek myths atributed to other people before Jesus.

Read Richard Carrier. A well respected scholar. There're now strong evidence that Jesus might not even have existed. 

[icyfroth]

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@**bob_is_good** wrote:

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@curmu-curmu wrote:

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@tasfleur wrote:

I think the person of Jesus was a very nice (and radical) man who wanted to 'change the world' as he knew it and make a difference.

He was most likely very skilled in the healing and lecture circuit arts, charasmatic and therefore easy to follow in terms of most of his teachings.

Whether or not he performed 'miracles' such as walking on water, or changing water into wine, rising up from the dead (?) etc is all up to the interpreters of the authors over the centuries.  Then again, the human condition in many cases, not all, desperately desires such man made history to be true.   Perhaps that is what some people need to get through their lives.

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It's also very interesting to research the topic of The Bible being the latest plagiarism of tales told for centuries prior to the advent of Christianity.

So many, many similarities with so many other tales, it's too much of a coincidence to be a coincidence!

But as Bob said, perhaps I've just 'taken it out of context'!

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I'm actually looking at modern scholarship. It's interesting to find around Jesus' time, there're several  risen Mesiah stories spreading around.  A lot of these predate Jesus. If I said to you born on the 25th, had 12 disiples , turn water into wine, died and risen 3 days later, born of a virgin etc etc, these all came from other pagan or greek myths atributed to other people before Jesus.

Read Richard Carrier. A well respected scholar. There're now strong evidence that Jesus might not even have existed. 

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There's even stronger evidence that he did. The Romans were renowned for their record-keeping. On every campaign they had their scribes with them.

You just have to read Tacitus to understand how meticulous they were.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ

There's no valid reason to claim Jesus Christ didn't exist.

He may have been deified to suit the nefarious purposes of those wishing to enslave the northern ppl via religion. But I'm sure he was a real flesh and blood human being,

[the_great_she_elephant]

Read Richard Carrier. A well respected scholar. There're now strong evidence that Jesus might not even have existed.

It would actually be very difficult to produce evidence that someone didn't exist 2000 years ago.

However, the evidence that he did exist is very tenuous.

[the_bob_delusion]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@**bob_is_good** wrote:

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@curmu-curmu wrote:

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@tasfleur wrote:

I think the person of Jesus was a very nice (and radical) man who wanted to 'change the world' as he knew it and make a difference.

He was most likely very skilled in the healing and lecture circuit arts, charasmatic and therefore easy to follow in terms of most of his teachings.

Whether or not he performed 'miracles' such as walking on water, or changing water into wine, rising up from the dead (?) etc is all up to the interpreters of the authors over the centuries.  Then again, the human condition in many cases, not all, desperately desires such man made history to be true.   Perhaps that is what some people need to get through their lives.

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It's also very interesting to research the topic of The Bible being the latest plagiarism of tales told for centuries prior to the advent of Christianity.

So many, many similarities with so many other tales, it's too much of a coincidence to be a coincidence!

But as Bob said, perhaps I've just 'taken it out of context'!

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I'm actually looking at modern scholarship. It's interesting to find around Jesus' time, there're several  risen Mesiah stories spreading around.  A lot of these predate Jesus. If I said to you born on the 25th, had 12 disiples , turn water into wine, died and risen 3 days later, born of a virgin etc etc, these all came from other pagan or greek myths atributed to other people before Jesus.

Read Richard Carrier. A well respected scholar. There're now strong evidence that Jesus might not even have existed. 

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There's even stronger evidence that he did. The Romans were renowned for their record-keeping. On every campaign they had their scribes with them.

You just have to read Tacitus to understand how meticulous they were.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ

There's no valid reason to claim Jesus Christ didn't exist.

He may have been deified to suit the nefarious purposes of those wishing to enslave the northern ppl via religion. But I'm sure he was a real flesh and blood human being,

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Tacitus was written about 100 years later from my memory. He did not even mention Jesus' name. There're really no valuable information from Tacitus to prove anything. 

If the Romans were reknowned for their record keeping. Why was there NO contemporanous record of Jesus what so ever. Zippo.  This is accepted by ALL historian. How could you possibly forget to write down that God visited. Supposely 9/11 happened and none of the newspaper covered it. 

My suspicision is a prominent Rabbi existed and with the story of Risen Messiah a common place then and with everyone trying to find that person. Different attributes from myths are incorporated into Jesus.The legend grew over time. Even John the Baptist was considered the Messiah for awhile.

[the_bob_delusion]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Read Richard Carrier. A well respected scholar. There're now strong evidence that Jesus might not even have existed.

It would actually be very difficult to produce evidence that someone didn't exist 2000 years ago.

However, the evidence that he did exist is very tenuous.

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My point is not saying a person called Jesus didn't  exist. It's like saying a person named John never existed. But the quality and attributes and supernatural things are built onto this person call Jesus. 

Saying a person called Jesus never existed isn't the same as saying a person called Jesus who is the son of God and died for your sin never existed. 

[myoclon1cjerk]

The problem for me is how a guy from Nazareth ended up with a Mexican name. 😄