@the_bob_delusion wrote:
@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:
@the_bob_delusion wrote:
@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:
@the_bob_delusion wrote:
@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:
@the_bob_delusion wrote:
@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:
@polksaladallie wrote:
Your toenails are dead.
but Bob said 'any human cells'.
Well, that's essentially correct what I said. Your ignorance isn't evidence for facts.
MY ignorance?
OK, let's leave out toenails. Which other human cells result in a human life - other than a fertilized human egg?
What you also said previously is that 'sperm contains all that is necessary for life' {paraphrased}.
I would say that statement shows a tad of ignorance too - unless of couse you know something science does not. Putting it bluntly, fill up a 44-gallon drum with human sperm - what human life results? Like it not Bob, we need those woman out there and it's about time you realised / admitted it.
Your argument is a bunch of cells is a human, {no, I said an embryo is a human - you called it a bunch of cells} so I used that same argument back against you. Human cells can also make a potential human. Therefore you're causing abortions everytime you wash or sneeze.
I think your parents failed you Bob - sneezing on a lady does not make them pregnant, nor does kissing them - I think there is more to it than that.
So you're admit that women are important. I agree. Therefore don't you think they deserve the right to do what they want with their body?
Women have every right to do what they want with their body - as long as it's ONLY their body that we are talking about. eg a woman has the right to blow themselves up if that's what they wish, but they don't have the right to take anyone else with them - that would be called murder or even mass murder. You may have read about a few of those suicide bombers - admittedly mostly men but some women to?
So you agree with me that an Embryo is a bunch of cells but you call it a "human". By that reasoning, other bunch of human cells are also humans because you can make a human from those. Do you not get I'm using your own arguments against you.
So let me use the same argument as OP. Do you agree with me it's wrong to force anyone to donate their body part to someone else?
Bob:"an Embryo is a bunch of cells but you call it a "human". By that reasoning, other bunch of human cells are also humans because you can make a human from those".
Once again, what other human cells can you make a human out of except that bunch of cells represented by a fertilized human egg. You are talking in circles.
"donate their body parts to someone else" - that would be after you're dead I presume? No, it's done all the time, but there is no force involved - well, except in China maybe.
Before I explain it again how your reasoning fails. Do you first accept that if a cell(not fertilized human egg) can be used to create a human being, killing that cell is not the same as killing a human?
Let me spell it out to you again. Do you think you can force a mum or dad to donate one of their kidney to their child if they needed one? Obviously they're still alive.
"Do you first accept that if a cell(not fertilized human egg) can be used to create a human being"
- so, now we are talking about a non-fertilized egg? Like the millions billions that go unfertilized every year?
"Let me spell it out to you again. Do you think you can force a mum or dad to donate one of their kidney to their child if they needed one?"
- No, you cannot force anyone to give away a kidney - BUT, in MOST CASES if a child needed a kidney to survive, MOST PARENTS would be falling over themselves to give that child a kidney - providing there is a match of course.
- I cannot see where you are going with this. Are you saying that giving away a kidney to a child in need is the same as 'giving away' a uterus? If so, please try to understand that a mother doesn't 'give away' her uterus to have a child, it's only rented for 40 weeks. Believe it or not, some women have more than one child, so it's not as if they only get one crack at it. With a kidnet, you do only get one crack at it, well two if you count the one after you're dead.
