coronavirus vaccine, who should get it first?

[davidc4430]

when a coronavirus vaccine is available who should be first in line?

[davewil1964]

No I won't.

I have an active immune system. Those close to me can make their own decisions.

Which doesn't deflect from your allegations, which you don't seem to be able to provide relevant sources for.

[4channel]

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@davewil1964 wrote:

No I won't.

I have an active immune system. Those close to me can make their own decisions.

Which doesn't deflect from your allegations, which you don't seem to be able to provide relevant sources for.

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You knew I quoted rogespeed on this info before.

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Professor of Medicine Dr Peter McCullough and hydroxychloroquine

He published the first guidance on early treatment for COVID 19, In the American Journal of Medicine, August 7th, 2020

He describes hydroxychloroquine as a drug that goes within the cell and reduces viral replication. It has been on the market for 65 years. Countries such as USA and Aust etc. have dismissed early home treatment.

Lives that could have been saved in Australia, he believes half he lives that were lost and up to 80 / 90% of hospitalisation could have been avoided.

India with its crowded cities is a country that uses hydroxychloroquine, their death toll per million is less than 100. In the USA per million is 800.

‘Only a one in 17 billion chance hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work’: medical professor

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•Nov 28, 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdsAVTkSDhM

For India, it will happen after 6:50

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Can you see the disparity between  the US and India?

Is it good or bad?
 

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[davidc4430]

Distributing Pfizer and other COVID vaccines 'the largest logistics effort in the world since World War II'

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-12-08/covid-19-coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-distribution-logi...

[4channel]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

Distributing Pfizer and other COVID vaccines 'the largest logistics effort in the world since World War II'

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-12-08/covid-19-coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-distribution-logi...

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I hope nothing comes alive after the contents in the frozen vaccine become warmed to body heat in the blood stream

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experimental nanotech components that have NEVER been used in vaccines before

Wednesday, November 18, 2020 by: Mike Adams

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-11-18-why-pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-requires-storage-at-70c.html

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This is way too early.

[*kazumi*]

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@4channel wrote:

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As the ABC showed, the stats were not accurate and they were inflated somewhat. An elderly and infirm person could die from diabetes related complications or renal failure. If they have Corona virus, their death will be likely recorded as death from Corona even though it's directly caused by their pre-existing conditions.

Looking below at what can be done in the early stages, if this were done properly and not by-passed as it has been happening, there would be a very great reduction in the statistics.

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That is not correct; people can live for decades with renal problems, weak heart, asthma or other respiratory problems, or diabetes.  If they get covid it is more likely to kill them than healthy person.  The virus attacks and further damage the weakened organ, and they die.  Just like nobody actually gets killed by the flu; they die from secondary infection, to which the flu made them vulnerable.  Yet we blame their death on the flu.

Not to mention that it is widely accepted that many death actually caused by covid are not counted; especially in countries like India and African countries. 

This year total death rate is considerably higher than in previous decade.  This was calculated couple of months ago, but the prediction is pretty correct - up tilll now  1,553,408 officially died from covid, and we still have another 3 weeks of exponentially growing death toll:

Mortality:
We’re 3/4 through 2020 and 45.9 million people have died so far this year.

58.4 million people died in 2019.
57.6 million in 2018.
56.9 million in 2017.
56.3 million in 2016.
55.8 million in 2015.

2015 to 2016 was an increase of 0.5 million deaths.
2016 to 2017 was an increase of 0.6 million deaths.
2017 to 2018 was an increase of 0.7 million deaths.
2018 to 2019 was an increase of 0.8 million deaths.

So, ignoring the pandemic, the death toll of 2020 likely would have been 59.3 million people.

If the 4th quarter is as deadly as the first 3, we’re looking at 61.2 million deaths.

That would be 1.9 million more people than projected. The Coronavirus will likely account for about 1.6 million deaths by the end of the year. The other 300,000 are likely secondary deaths such as those who could have been saved with proper medical care**, those who committed suicide, etc.

(**Part putting off treatment due to fear of catching something in the waiting room; Part overtaxed hospital staff. )

Still, even with the increased death rates, we should end the year with a net population increase of 85 million people.

True death rate  https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html

[*kazumi*]

We are in such a great position that we do not have to worry whether to get vaccinated or not.  Well, not till March or April.  However, if I was living in the USA or UK or one of the European countries where the infection rate is very high, I would not hesitate to get it as soon as it was offered to me.

The vaccines were tested on tens of thousands of people and there were no significant bad reactions.  The reason scientist were able to push the vaccines through so fast is that they worked around the clock, and that there are now new methods that allow to speed up the process. 

If you get covid you have about 1 chance in 100 to die, and if you get so ill that you end up in hospital you have 1 chance in 20 to end up with some long term, possibly permanent, health problems.  Comparing to that the vaccine, which seems to at most give you sore arm and feeling bit under weather for couple of days, is definitely the better option.

I personally would prefer not to get the Pfizer, as it seems to be more fragile,  it would be easy to mishandle and expose it to higher temperature, which could result in reduced potency. 

Funny, as I type I hear on the news that 91 years old lady in the UK was the 1st person receiving the covid vaccine!!  LOL, China and Russia have both been vaccinating people for sometime, and other Asian countries are getting the Chinese vaccine right now.

And considering that ALL the companies are supplying the vaccines worldwide at cost , they cannot be accused of doing it for the money.  Scientists and the pharmaceutical companies understand that controlling covid is necesary to get our society functioning properly. 

[4channel]

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@*kazumi* wrote:

Mortality:
We’re 3/4 through 2020 and 45.9 million people have died so far this year.

58.4 million people died in 2019.
57.6 million in 2018.
56.9 million in 2017.
56.3 million in 2016.
55.8 million in 2015.

2015 to 2016 was an increase of 0.5 million deaths.
2016 to 2017 was an increase of 0.6 million deaths.
2017 to 2018 was an increase of 0.7 million deaths.
2018 to 2019 was an increase of 0.8 million deaths.

So, ignoring the pandemic, the death toll of 2020 likely would have been 59.3 million people.

If the 4th quarter is as deadly as the first 3, we’re looking at 61.2 million deaths.

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@*kazumi* wrote:

The Coronavirus will likely account for about 1.6 million deaths by the end of the year.

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We are well past the 3/4 stage of the year kazumi.

And with regaard to the below which rogespeed first brought it to our attention, the statistics would be more favourable to survival by a long shot if treatment was done properly in early stages.

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‘Only a one in 17 billion chance hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work’: medical professor

29,384 views

•Nov 28, 2020

Sky News Australia

1.06M subscribers

Hydroxychloroquine really works says Professor of Medicine Dr Peter McCullough, describing the treatment as “the most widely used therapeutic” to treat COVID-19 in the world. “The chances that it doesn’t work are calculated to be one in 17 billion,” he told Sky News.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdsAVTkSDhM

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With a country like India with it's overpopulation and crowding having a death rate of 100 per million (they use hyroxchlorquine) compared to the US with 800 per million (where hydoxchlorquine is harder to obtain), don't you think it's criminal for a gov't to deny people a treatment in favour of pushing through an improperly tested vaccine?

Surely this stinks of profit before people. And if anyone thinks for a minute that this is impossible in a Western civilisation, just think about how many people in the "Greatest Country on Earth" die of treatable diseases because they don't have medical insurance!

The below documentary may give an idea.

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Sicko 2007 Trailer HD  Documentary by Michael Moore

14,882 views

•Jul 19, 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XWgw3Ea4WU

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Moore nails it.