facts & myths about Gallipoli

Has anybody watched the program last night?

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I will watch it later, but my first reaction to the OP is that myth far overrides fact. 

 

Years ago when I watched interviews with Anzacs, I knew that their tears were partly due to the knowledge of how they were needlessly sacrificed by their government.

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the recent new gallipoli miniseries told

the story well.  it was an accurate portrayal.

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Yes I do know what Anzac means, my family had many loses in both Wars.

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@polksaladallie wrote:

I will watch it later, but my first reaction to the OP is that myth far overrides fact. 

 

Years ago when I watched interviews with Anzacs, I knew that their tears were partly due to the knowledge of how they were needlessly sacrificed by their government.


Yes, the facts are pretty sad.  So many young men, on both sides, killed for what?  Bunch of old rulers arguing with their cousins and trying to keep their empires together.

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Historians and army historians in this program pointed out that there were much more important battles involving Australian soldiers fought on the western front.  Battles that made an impact on the outcome of the war, and where we lost as many if not more men.  It always puzzled me why we celebrate in such a huge way this failed invasion of another country.


Its nice to see that recognised. Pozieres was an important battle for Australia and most people have never heard of it. We lost more people there in  6 weeks than we did in Gallipoli in 8 months. many accounts from diggers who were at both Gallipoli and the western front said the fighting and conditions in France were far worse. I think we do those diggers a real disservice by focussing on one battle and ignoring the rest.

 

 

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 It always puzzled me why we celebrate in such a huge way this failed invasion of another country.

 

 

anzac day is not just about that.

 

With the coming of the Second World War, Anzac Day also served to commemorate the lives of Australians who died in that war. The meaning of Anzac Day today includes the remembrance of all Australians killed in military operations.

 

 

the word anzac means different things

to different people but i think most take this

time to remember the sacrifices.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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We lost more people there in  6 weeks than we did in Gallipoli in 8 months.

 

are you sure?

 

look up 'battle of somme'

 

 

 

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this is an interesting article (imo) 

 

it was written leading up to the 90th anniversary.

i think it explains well why makes gallipoli 'different'

 

Why does Gallipoli mean so much?

 

Gallipoli has become a symbol of Australia's national identity, achievement and existence, according to Australian War Memorial principal historian Dr Peter Stanley.

 

Here's a weird thing. There's a battle, a long way from home and a long time ago. A lot of men are killed and wounded. It was a defeat and it didn't change anything. But we're still interested in it. Is that weird or what?

It is indeed weird. But not mysterious. For Australia, Gallipoli has become an important founding legend. It is attracting even greater attention as the 90th anniversary approaches. Why?

 

Australians entered the Great War welcoming conflict as a test of their nationhood. Their nation had been born amid prosaic debates and referenda, not in war. The troops who landed on April 25, 1915- almost all civilians less than a year before - wondered how they would meet the challenge.

 

In the event, the landing was a military disaster - it failed to meet its objectives. But merely hanging on in the face of determined Turkish attacks was triumph enough. Charles Bean, the Australian official correspondent, declared that with the landing on Gallipoli a sense of Australian nationhood was born. The idea took root.

 

Bean's The Anzac Book defined what came to be called the Anzac legend. It encompassed bravery, ingenuity, endurance and the comradeship that Australians call mateship.

 

Nations create the history they need. Gallipoli, though the basis of the annual ritual of Anzac Day from the early 1920s, remained neglected as an historical event. For 50 years after Bean published his definitive official history very few seemed interested in the Great War.

 

For a time, in the aftermath of defeat in Vietnam, it seemed that Anzac Day might vanish into obscurity, like Empire Day.

But an assertive Australian national identity has returned to affirm the connection between Gallipoli and nationhood. On the 90th anniversary of the campaign Gallipoli remains interesting still. The anniversary has generated books, films, ceremonies and pilgrimages. Almost as many Australians attend the dawn ceremony at Anzac Cove as the same number of troops which landed there in 1915.

 

The Anzac legend has become elastic enough to span very different emotions. Fervent nationalists can exult; pilgrims can mourn. All can ponder what made that group of Australians able to endure one of the greatest tests their nation has ever faced.

This massive interest might be the result of careful marketing, by schools, publishers, the media or government agencies. But it seems that while the expression of interest might be directed, the consumption of the products seem to reflect the popular interest rather than manipulate it.

 

Gallipoli, a minor, failed campaign (which cost less than a sixth of the Australian deaths on the Western Front) fulfils a need felt by many Australians to connect with or express their national identity. Much of what is said or written makes tenuous history - it presents a defeat as a victory of sorts, ignores some aspects and boost others, often with a distinctly anti-British spin.

 

It is dodgy history because it says as much about what Australians today feel about themselves as it relates to the events of the campaign. Gallipoli has become a symbol of Australia's national identity, achievement and existence.

 

This feature was written by Dr Peter Stanley for ABC News Online's Anzac Day coverage in 2006. At that time, Dr Stanley was principal historian at the Australian War Memorial. In early 2007 he was appointed director of the centre for historical research at the National Museum of Australia in Canberra.

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Listen to this for some facts and the debunking of myths, but not if you wallow in the fake sentimentality.  It details how the legend grew in Australia.

 

http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2015/04/bst_20150424_0805.mp3

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Years ago when I watched interviews with Anzacs, I knew that their tears were partly due to the knowledge of how they were needlessly sacrificed by their government.

 

If by "their government" you mean Britain, I agree..........it was the same in WWII, in Singapore, and with the Desert Rats.  Someone once said of the British soldier, that they were the bravest troops, and the most poorly led.......the ANZACs should be included with them.

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