on โ12-06-2015 09:46 AM
Solved! Go to Solution.
on โ12-06-2015 11:22 AM
Exactly, I mean why would people want to travel to Australia, where our bizarro Prime Minister thinks that wind farms cause health issues.
How backward.
on โ12-06-2015 11:56 AM
on โ12-06-2015 11:22 AM
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on โ12-06-2015 11:35 AM
Glad I'm too poor to travel overseas
just as well. if you cant respect different cultures
its best you don't go there.
The Kadazan Dusun people believe Mt Kinabalu is a sacred place โ its name can be roughly interpreted as meaning โthe revered place of the deadโ.
Travellers are repeatedly urged in guides and signage to show respect for the spiritual significance of the Unesco World Heritage site.
Some tribal elders have called for the travellers to be tried in local courts for causing a deadly earthquake on the mountain, which happened subsequently.
on โ12-06-2015 11:56 AM
on โ12-06-2015 12:11 PM
dont let the facts get in the way
of your good story
What did the initial reports say?
The first indication that Malaysians blamed foreigners taking naked pictures on the countryโs highest peak for the deadly earthquake came after news agency reports of comments on social media, where images of the tourists were being circulated.
The anger escalated after a press conference called by Sri Joseph Pairin Kitingan, the deputy chief minister and a key Kadazan Dusun figure.
In comments reported by the Malay Mail and elsewhere, Pairin said the tourists should be taken to a local court and charged according to local customs.
โWhether other people believe this or not, itโs what we Sabahans believe. When the earthquake happened, itโs like a confirmation of our beliefs. It is a sacred mountain and you cannot take it lightly.
โThere is almost certainly a connection. We have to take this as a reminder that local beliefs and customs are not to be disrespected.โ
Many locals have agreed with Pairin. Fendi Adam, a teenager member of the Dusun tribe, told the Guardian: โIt was the first earthquake we had that we felt here in Kota Kinabalu.
โThe spirits donโt like what they did. They should be kept in jail for a long time.โ
Sabahโs chief tribal priest, Tindarama Aman Sirom Simbuna, told Malaysiaโs Star newspaper that the tourists should be fined 10 head of buffalo in line with local customs.
It quoted him saying: โAccording to local beliefs, the spirit of the mountain is very angry,โ he said. โThis fine, called sogit in the native tongue, should be in the form of 10 male or female buffaloes.โ
Were the foreigners actually arrested for causing the earthquake?
No. Although there have been calls to try the tourists in local courts and according to tribal laws, that is not what has happened.
The four who have been arrested in Malaysia will face charges under the national penal code, and the alleged offences do not have any connection to the earthquake.
Hawkinsโ lawyer, Ronny Cham, said โcausing annoyance by conducting obscene acts in a public placeโ is the likely charge.
Masidi Manjun, Sabah state tourism minister, said Malaysians โespecially those in Sabah were very upsetโ at some tabloid reports suggesting the tourists were arrested for angering the mountain gods and for causing the earthquake.
โThey were remanded for four days for further investigation for alleged offence or offences under the penal code. Definitely they were not arrested for causing a โdeadly earthquakeโ,โ Masidi said.
โWe never said the naked stunt caused the earthquake. Sabahans were โboiling hotโ for their total disrespect of Mt Kinabalu, considered sacred by Sabahโs largest indigenous tribe, even before the earthquake happened. The earthquake multiplies their anger 1,000 times.โ
Were the โearthquakeโ claims even started by Malaysians?
Masidi has claimed the rumour that the nude pictures caused the earthquake was started initially not by Malaysians, but by the alleged ringleader of the stripping travellers, a Canadian called Emil Kaminski.
The self-described โperpetual backpackerโ was the first to post the naked picture on Mt Kinabalu, and has subsequently posted multiple times on Facebook, Twitter and YouTube about the incident.
Kaminski, who Hawkinsโ father called a โhalfwitโ, has a Facebook page with a number of nude pictures taken at altitude, most of which appear to be in his home country of Canada.
It does not, however, appear to be the case that Kaminski was the first to connect his nudity with the earthquake.
The first reference Kaminski makes to the affair is on his Facebook page, where he links to reports of deputy chief minister Pairinโs comments about the earthquake.
โSome deranged **** has linked earthquakes and mountaintop nudity,โ he wrote.
โWell, apparently I am responsible for the 2015 Nepal quake, and whatever incoming quakes in Canada (as well as Thailand, India, China, Taiwan, Hongkong, and a variety of other countries)...โ
His later postings include a video called Trolling Malaysia which sees him continue to mock the outrage. โJesus Christ people, itโs just a **bleep**ing mountain,โ he says.
But despite the distastefulness of the posts, it does seem like Kaminski has only reacted to, although possibly fuelled, anger about the link between the nude photos and the earthquake โ which already existed.
the guardian
on โ12-06-2015 01:21 PM
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on โ12-06-2015 01:36 PM
that is good to know because your
op came across as disrespectful towards
the kadazan dusun people's beliefs
on โ12-06-2015 02:10 PM