"Religious people are merely Victims. "

[the_bob_delusion]

We need more understanding. Religious people are merely victims of brain-washing and indoctrination. Challenge the idea/doctrine not the people. 

Discuss. 

[myoclon1cjerk]

Tomas de Torquemada anyone?

[rabbitearbandicoot]

lionofjudah - Sorry, I cannot agree with you about The Man Of Sin being Jesus. 2 Thess 2:8-10 says to me that Jesus will be the one who overthrows the Man Of Sin.

Let's examine why Paul is writing to them? The Thessalonians have taken on something that Paul didn't teach them while he was there. They are teaching that the time for Jesus to return is imminent. Paul is tryinhg to tell them that they are wrong, that the time of Jesus' return is a long way off and that all these things have to happen before Jesus can return.

It is a prophecy - a long term prophecy about the times that we know are close.

The Man of Lawlessness has to be a person (or an organisation) that has not yet been fully revealed. One that will do all the things Paul describes.

"3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.".

The early Protestants thought that The Man Of Lawlessness was in fact the Catholic Church with The Pope proclaiming himself to be God. Others think that it may be Islam but I think it may be someone (or something) that we are not aware of yet OR maybe it is someone we know but are not aware that he will take on this role.

[lionofjudah60]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

lionofjudah - Sorry, I cannot agree with you about The Man Of Sin being Jesus. 2 Thess 2:8-10 says to me that Jesus will be the one who overthrows the Man Of Sin.

Let's examine why Paul is writing to them? The Thessalonians have taken on something that Paul didn't teach them while he was there. They are teaching that the time for Jesus to return is imminent. Paul is tryinhg to tell them that they are wrong, that the time of Jesus' return is a long way off and that all these things have to happen before Jesus can return.

It is a prophecy - a long term prophecy about the times that we know are close.

The Man of Lawlessness has to be a person (or an organisation) that has not yet been fully revealed. One that will do all the things Paul describes.

"3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.".

The early Protestants thought that The Man Of Lawlessness was in fact the Catholic Church with The Pope proclaiming himself to be God. Others think that it may be Islam but I think it may be someone (or something) that we are not aware of yet OR maybe it is someone we know but are not aware that he will take on this role.

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It doesnt say that Rabbit.It says it in English not in original.Explain why they added words like WHOM etc.They ADDED those words.

Explain how they got THAT IS CALLED from a word that means to TEACH!Explain that and I will go away with my tail between my legs.

Siple question.EXPLAIN how they translated a word that means to TEACH into  3 words THAT IS CALLED!

[lionofjudah60]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

lionofjudah - Sorry, I cannot agree with you about The Man Of Sin being Jesus. 2 Thess 2:8-10 says to me that Jesus will be the one who overthrows the Man Of Sin.

Let's examine why Paul is writing to them? The Thessalonians have taken on something that Paul didn't teach them while he was there. They are teaching that the time for Jesus to return is imminent. Paul is tryinhg to tell them that they are wrong, that the time of Jesus' return is a long way off and that all these things have to happen before Jesus can return.

It is a prophecy - a long term prophecy about the times that we know are close.

The Man of Lawlessness has to be a person (or an organisation) that has not yet been fully revealed. One that will do all the things Paul describes.

"3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.".

The early Protestants thought that The Man Of Lawlessness was in fact the Catholic Church with The Pope proclaiming himself to be God. Others think that it may be Islam but I think it may be someone (or something) that we are not aware of yet OR maybe it is someone we know but are not aware that he will take on this role.

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Show me where it says the MAN DOOMED TO DESTRUCTION!

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

lionofjudah - Sorry, I cannot agree with you about The Man Of Sin being Jesus. 2 Thess 2:8-10 says to me that Jesus will be the one who overthrows the Man Of Sin.

Let's examine why Paul is writing to them? The Thessalonians have taken on something that Paul didn't teach them while he was there. They are teaching that the time for Jesus to return is imminent. Paul is tryinhg to tell them that they are wrong, that the time of Jesus' return is a long way off and that all these things have to happen before Jesus can return.

It is a prophecy - a long term prophecy about the times that we know are close.

The Man of Lawlessness has to be a person (or an organisation) that has not yet been fully revealed. One that will do all the things Paul describes.

"3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.".

The early Protestants thought that The Man Of Lawlessness was in fact the Catholic Church with The Pope proclaiming himself to be God. Others think that it may be Islam but I think it may be someone (or something) that we are not aware of yet OR maybe it is someone we know but are not aware that he will take on this role.

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Show me where it says the MAN DOOMED TO DESTRUCTION!

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^ up there ^

[rabbitearbandicoot]

No, I know what you mean :

New International Version
Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

New Living Translation
Don't be fooled by what they say. For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the man of lawlessness is revealed--the one who brings destruction.

English Standard Version
Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

New American Standard Bible
Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

King James Bible
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Don't let anyone deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.

International Standard Version
Do not let anyone deceive you in any way, for it will not come unless the rebellion takes place first and the man of sin, who is destined for destruction, is revealed.

NET Bible
Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not arrive until the rebellion comes and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Let no man deceive you by any means, to the effect that surely no revolt will first come and The Man of Sin, The Son of Destruction, be revealed,

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Don't let anyone deceive you about this in any way. [That day cannot come unless] a revolt takes place first, and the man of sin, the man of destruction, is revealed.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Let no one deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come except there come a falling away first and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,

King James 2000 Bible
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come the falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

American King James Version
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

American Standard Version
let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,

Douay-Rheims Bible
Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,

Darby Bible Translation
Let not any one deceive you in any manner, because [it will not be] unless the apostasy have first come, and the man of sin have been revealed, the son of perdition;

English Revised Version
let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,

Webster's Bible Translation
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Weymouth New Testament
Let no one in any way deceive you, for that day cannot come without the coming of the apostasy first, and the appearing of the man of sin, the son of perdition, who sets himself against,

World English Bible
Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction,

Young's Literal Translation
let not any one deceive you in any manner, because -- if the falling away may not come first, and the man of sin be revealed -- the son of the destruction,

[gewens]

Hello, everyone. Just want to remind you that it's OK to disagree with others but please don't get interpersonal and keep your wording civil. The harmony of this forum is what makes it enjoyable.  I'd like you want to read the policy here: http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/policies/everyone-boards.html

[lionofjudah60]

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@gewens wrote:

Hello, everyone. Just want to remind you that it's OK to disagree with others but please don't get interpersonal and keep your wording civil. The harmony of this forum is what makes it enjoyable.  I'd like you want to read the policy here: http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/policies/everyone-boards.html

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gewens does that mean the Blasphemy ought to stop?I think the Blasphemy ought to be stamped out.Along with calling devout followers of the One True God as "mentally ill".

[lionofjudah60]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

No, I know what you mean :

New International Version
Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

New Living Translation
Don't be fooled by what they say. For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the man of lawlessness is revealed--the one who brings destruction.

English Standard Version
Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

New American Standard Bible
Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

King James Bible
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Don't let anyone deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.

International Standard Version
Do not let anyone deceive you in any way, for it will not come unless the rebellion takes place first and the man of sin, who is destined for destruction, is revealed.

NET Bible
Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not arrive until the rebellion comes and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Let no man deceive you by any means, to the effect that surely no revolt will first come and The Man of Sin, The Son of Destruction, be revealed,

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Don't let anyone deceive you about this in any way. [That day cannot come unless] a revolt takes place first, and the man of sin, the man of destruction, is revealed.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Let no one deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come except there come a falling away first and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,

King James 2000 Bible
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come the falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

American King James Version
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

American Standard Version
let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,

Douay-Rheims Bible
Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,

Darby Bible Translation
Let not any one deceive you in any manner, because [it will not be] unless the apostasy have first come, and the man of sin have been revealed, the son of perdition;

English Revised Version
let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,

Webster's Bible Translation
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Weymouth New Testament
Let no one in any way deceive you, for that day cannot come without the coming of the apostasy first, and the appearing of the man of sin, the son of perdition, who sets himself against,

World English Bible
Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction,

Young's Literal Translation
let not any one deceive you in any manner, because -- if the falling away may not come first, and the man of sin be revealed -- the son of the destruction,

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I mean in the ORIGINAL GREEK.I dont mean the words they ADDED!The translator added lots of words.It does NOT say that in the originals.It says THE MAN OF SIN SON  THAT UTTERLY DESTROYS!

[pct001wine]

Funniest thread ever.

When people are arguing over whether Jesus died on a Friday, Wednesday, or whatever, seriously, does it matter ?

Sheesh.  Perspective needed, stat.