seems mandatory vaccine is the go for the work place ....

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The vaccine for covid , seems now being mandated for those currently employed

Seems like a violation of the existing conditions of employment for many , particularly whereby there is no mandate for  influenza vaccine requirement

Of course a harmless vaccine proven to mitigate against deadly covid-19 is desirable however some may object for whatever reason - and as are currently employed , one wonders the moral efficacy of coerced inoculation, as is clearly a workplace agreement item 

There is talk of dismissing currently employed workers for non-compliance

This to me would violate existing workplace agreements and a violation - fully paid leave would be the only  ethical way of excluding current employees ( unless all are retrenched then re-employed under covid safe clauses ) 

If there was no alternate to vaccination a strong case could be argued

But there are alternatives - periodic pcr tests,  daily check-in fast antigen tests , 1 minute on the treadmill 

The vaccines are released under emergency use meaning are experimental , so clearly fall under international law regarding strictly no forcing of experimental treatments

All that i am saying is that while inoculation is the most convenient , controllable and cost effective procedure , there should be an alternate process that meets workplace requirements

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Open letter to TGA from Craig Kelly

Oct 25, 2021

Open letter to TGA from Craig Kelly

Craig Kelly has data that shows an unusual increase of deaths in young boys since they started the vaccine rollout in the UK.

He is asking John Skerritt to immediately halt the vaccine rollout in teenagers until this is investigated properly. He says it is his duty of care to do so.

Craig sent this video to every Federal MP in Australia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5BnRp2hmFw

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Peddling flawed data or misinformation again 4C ?

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-818000433358

[4channel]

You're on duty late old son! If you listen to respected politician Craig Kelly, he's quoting something official.

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Australian actress suffers stroke after getting Covid vaccine
Yahoo News Staff
Mon, 25 October 2021, 6:03 pm·4-min read

An Australian actress living overseas has received an influx of support after suffering from a rare side effect of the Covid-19 vaccine.

Melle Stewart, a healthy 40-year-old Australian actress living in London, was "happy" to receive her first dose of the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine.

According to GoFundMe, "she has been and continues to be an advocate for vaccination", however her life was turned upside down on June 8, two weeks after her first dose.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/australian-actress-suffers-stroke-after-covid-vaccine-080315418.html

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I just hope that she makes a full recovery.

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"Respect" and "Craig Kelly" should probably not be used in the same sentence, if he had read the article I posted the link to he may have thought twice about making the claim that he did - and make himself look like an even greater fool....................

[4channel]

Why is he a fool?

Did you say the same thing about gardener John Howard when they blasted Iraq when there were no WOMD?

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Why is he a fool?

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Because he'll say things that simply are not true, simply to promote his own agenda.

Blind Freddy can see that in action with him all the time.

WMD's are off-topic but I've already given you the figures on how much of the toxins and chemical warfare items were deployed against the Kurds and Irainians.

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2 Associate Professors of Sociology - imaginary & astral.

Craig Kelly : LOL

Kelly was born in Sydney on 29 September 1963.[12] He is one of four children born to Lawrence and Raima Kelly. He was educated at public schools.[13]

After finishing high school Kelly worked for his parents as a furniture salesman[14] and "export manager" at their furniture business DV Kelly Pty Ltd. The firm imported Asian furniture and onsold it to retailers like Harvey Norman, but financial troubles resulted in the Australian Taxation Office issuing wind-up orders in 2012, leaving creditors and employees owed over $4 million. The administrator's report suggested that Kelly may have been a de facto director of the company and thus be liable to be pursued for trading while insolvent. He stated that this was a "completely baseless allegation", and had previously stated in his maiden speech to parliament that he stopped working for the company in 2009 in order to run for parliament.[15] However, Crikey subsequently reported that Kelly had signed himself as a director of the company on a number of documents related to a court case in New Zealand.[16] He was registered as a director of three related companies – Homewares Depot, Valentino Franchising and Valentino Home Fashion – until March 2011.[15]

Kelly established the now-defunct Southern Sydney Retailers Association,[17] which he used as a platform to lobby the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission.[18][19]

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I have not read the thread right through so I apologize if this has been mentioned previously. I also might add that an ill wind and dried faeces contained from a cow with brucellosis can lead to anybody being infected....Late to the party re mandatory vaccination furore for meatworks employees.....as a long term q fever sufferer It has been a legislated requirement for at least 30 years that meat workers must be tested, and those that return a negative result, vaccinated to guard against q fever. The legislative requirement also includes a register

copy and paste follows from this link

https://newcastle.amieu.asn.au/meat-workers-q-fever-vaccine/

Q fever: It’s something that every meat worker should know and fear, but many people in Australia have no idea even exists. It has a mortality rate of 10%. If you work with livestock, Q fever could be a part of your life – and if you’re not careful, it can be the reason you die.

All meat workers in Australia must be tested for and vaccinated against Q fever by law, their names added to an official register.

Q fever causes symptoms that can last for months or years, cripple you, and even kill you. Dr. Deborah Mills describes it as “among the most costly and severe infectious diseases in Australia”.

It is so infectious that it’s listed as a Class B biological warfare agent. 

Q fever is serious business.

https://www.qfever.org/

[4channel]

I remember reading about the early justifications for racial segregation and apartheid. There were supposed scientific studies etc. that were used to boost the theory that the "Negro" was an inferior being. Back in the days of extreme racial oppression,  many Caucasians were noting the intellect of their fellow human being of African origin, and spoke out against the laws that were denying them equal access and treatment. They were met with the laws backed by this so-called science. Of course nowadays we know that those filthy evil laws were based on filthy lies, greed, evil and cowardice.  We know that all racial groups are intelligent and nobody is inferior.

So like the findings of people on the equal quality of their fellow man we're seeing an uncannily similar process where something has proven to be effective but it's access is being blocked by a regulation based on tests? Who owns and who influences?

A cheaper route with drugs, and more effective one quite possibly is going to have the red tape taken off when those with influence decide, not before! So an early stage treatment with doxycline and ivermectin which would keep most people out hospital, one that is galloping away with safe, successful results right to the finish line in other countries gets ignored here! This defies logic!

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COVID-19 treatments: Ivermectin shows promise for poorer nations
90,928 views
Feb 3, 2021
1.4K, 50

Al Jazeera English

8.27M subscribers

As vaccination programmes in the developing world lag behind richer nations' efforts, a drug called ivermectin, commonly used for treating skin conditions and parasites in livestock, has shown some promise.
While data is still emerging about its effectiveness for COVID-19 patients, early trials across the developing world suggest that it may be useful.

Al Jazeera’s Jonah Hull reports from London, the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7rudChOLJY

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An E.R. Doctor Infected With Covid-19 Back At Work After Using Hydroxychloroquine and Z-Pak Protocol

1,086,153 views
Apr 9, 2020

DoctorOz
1.68M subscribers

- An E.R. Doctor Infected With Covid-19 Back At Work After Using Hydroxychloroquine and Z-Pak Protocol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXCpNjl-YyI

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Memorial Hermann refuses to give COVID patient ivermectin
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Sep 7, 2021
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ABC13 Houston, 486K subscribers

The family of a 74-year-old man hospitalized with COVID-19 at Memorial Hermann Hospital in Sugar Land won a court order for the hospital to treat her husband with ivermectin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XL78eAASCI

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Truth and logic are of no interest to those who are incompetent. One day the gross incompetence of our medical systems in how they exist today will be looked upon as a joke. Just look at the use of chemotherapy to treat cancer as an example!

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The 74 year old - Pete Lopez :

SUGAR LAND, Texas (KTRK) -- A 74-year-old man, whose family sought a court order against Memorial Hermann over his COVID-19 treatment, has died.

Pete Lopez of Richmond had been at Memorial Hermann Sugar Land for almost a month battling COVID-19. According to his family, he was put on a ventilator on Aug. 19.

On a ventilator since Aug 19 - Ivermectin certainly would ' help '.

"Memorial Hermann is unable to comment on pending litigation or specific cases due to patient privacy laws. It is important to note that physicians diagnose and treat patients consistent with best medical practices. It is the role of medical providers to determine safe and effective courses of treatment for patients, and then assist patients and their loved ones, if applicable, to make informed decisions about treatment options available to them. The FDA has not authorized or approved ivermectin for the treatment or prevention of COVID-19. Data currently available does not demonstrate that ivermectin is safe or effective against COVID-19 infection. Outside of ongoing clinical trials, the FDA, CDC and WHO discourage the use of ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19.

Some certainly do defy logic.