si all of you are happy kittens are being torn ti pieces si greedy men can make money

[wilk1149]

Four corners uncovered live baiting of greyhounds and no one here gives a **bleep**

[lionrose.7]

Sorry but no Dog should be kept in a cage, that in its self is CRUEL

[bright.ton42]

He has made those "cages" very comfortable and they do get treats,

Cages?  How big are they?     Nope I just could not do it.   And sorry, but it sounds like it's a big deal that they get treats. 

But at the same time he obviously is a responsible greyhound racer unlike the ones we've been discussing.  I suppose if dogs have to be raced then better him than the others. 

[billytheskids]

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@wilk1149 wrote:
Four corners uncovered live baiting of greyhounds and no one here gives a **bleep**

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I own a greyhound and I am about to spend $5000.00 on another one.

What those men were doing was wrong and not widespread.I am an animal lover and would never condone that.They ought to be hit as hard as possible but it is not the entire sport.

Secondly 4 corners had evidence and could have saved the lives of some of those animals by acting sooner so they directly caused the suffering of animals by staying silent.

4 corners wanted a show.They got it.The animalwelfare mob want the sport closed down.

No doubt there is corruption in the game.It needs a good look at and a rewrite of the rules and the little bloke who is being pushed out should be brought back in.

But the do gooders want to close it down and in this case it was the "do gooders"who caused pigs and possums to be ripped apart by staying silent.

[billytheskids]

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@gleee58 wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@gleee58 wrote:

Would livelihoods be lost or is greyhound racing a part time sort of thing?

All the people I've ever known train greyhounds have had other occupations as well.

I'm surpised the GH racing hasn't died off years ago when all the old timer trainers died off.

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You kidding?

You obviously have no idea how many ppl depend on that industry. Just off the top of my head:

The breeders and trainers.

the track owners - bookies

The facility providers

the TAB and it's employees.

I'm sure there's more.

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Greyhounds are not the mainstay of the racing industry.  

The bookies make more off horses, as do the facilities and the TAB.  

Hence my question, about how many are full timers compared to part timers in Greyhounds.

The few trainers I knew died and left their kids their land which was promptly subdivided.

Although heavily into GHs they also had other sources of income, such as market gardens, farms or tradie businesses.

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so shoulsd we kill off an entire industry because of a few bad eggs?OK the stop ALL athletics becsause some take drugs.And when you close the game down there will be no greyhounds because they will all be put down.I dont think you stated to close it done but many are.

[billytheskids]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@freshwater-2 wrote:

You kidding?

 You obviously have no idea how many ppl depend on that industry. Just off the top of my head:

 The breeders and trainers.

 the track owners - bookies

 The facility providers

 the TAB and it's employees.

 I'm sure there's more.

So What  ?  .

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So that's how many ppl suck off the greyhound racing industry and and there' s probably more I haven't covered.

I was listening to a lady greyhound trainer on radio this afternoon crying at the prospect of the greyhound racing industry being shut down.

"oh how am I going to feed my dogs" etc...

Ok I get her distress. If the greyhound industry were to be shutdown it would mean a wholesale putting down of innocent creatures that have been bred in the name of profit through gambling.

Still, I think the industry should be shut down.

Don't get me started on the horseracing industry.

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Why?On what grounds should it be shut down?

[wilk1149]

Yep, four corners is definitely the bad guy here. Give me a break. This has obviously been going on for years. Read this and comprehend. Tom Noble was reported twice to Queensland racing, nothing was done. Hence the footage. Queensland and Victoria are yet to actually do anything about this animal torture. The Tooradin property just happened to not be blooding the dogs when they were raided, coincidence. I doubt it, tipped off for sure. How anyone can think that four corners are to blame for this astounds me but you are a greyhound owner. You claim that you don't participate in those kinds of activities but you still sicken me by supporting an industry that makes money from using animals for gambling

[go-tazz]

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@wilk1149 wrote:
 You claim that you don't participate in those kinds of activities but you still sicken me by supporting an industry that makes money from using animals for gambling

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So is this why you posted it,a hidden agenda,(you want the whole industry shut down?).

So are you against all gambling or just those involving animals?

Where are the complaints about dog fights,male chook fights,(they are horrific events but I see no complaints).

Someone comes out with a story and instead of blaming the minority,(who should be banned for life) some of

the ones that picked up the story blame everyone.

Greyhounds love to race so you want to deny them that?,(think of the dog for once and only blame the

mongrels).

The trainers I've come across all love their dogs,love the sport and the Greyhounds are treated better,

fed better and are kept in good health,(unlike thousands of others that are abused by their owners).

If the industry was banned there would be a mass destruction of dogs and an increase in the instances of

coursing using live baiting,(as they would simply go "underground" like the dog fights).

A few bad "eggs" deserve all the blame and the consequences that go with that,(don't blame the rest as

they didn't do it).

[wilk1149]

I'm nit for banning it. I personally am sickened by all gambling. I'm sickened by politics. I'm never mentioned banning anything. I'm allowed to be sickened by anything I don't like. You live your life I live mine. I'm allowed to express my dislike of yours and you of mine. I believe in personal choice and freedom but as long as it doesn't involve immoral activities like cruelty. I hate religion because of what it has done to children I hate gambling because what it had done.

[wilk1149]

You shifted the blame to four corners. My biggest dislike of all is blame shifters. Tom Noble blamed the people that paid him to train their dogs. He said they want me to make them run what else am I to do.

[***super_nova***]

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@go-tazz wrote:

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Someone comes out with a story and instead of blaming the minority,(who should be banned for life) some of

the ones that picked up the story blame everyone.

The trainers I've come across all love their dogs,love the sport and the Greyhounds are treated better,

fed better and are kept in good health,(unlike thousands of others that are abused by their owners).

If the industry was banned there would be a mass destruction of dogs

A few bad "eggs" deserve all the blame and the consequences that go with that,(don't blame the rest as

they didn't do it).

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But it is not the minority, the 40 odd that got caught are the tip of the iceberg.  Yes, the dogs are fed well, they have to be to run, but if you think that those men in those large training facilities where many of the owners send their dogs to be broken in, those men who joke about the poor creatures getting torn to shreds, are kind to the dogs, you are dreaming.  In any case, while "live baiting" is banned, baiting with dead rabbits is not, how humanly would the rabbit be killed is anybody's guess, considering it would be done by these awful men.

There have been problems with Greyhound racing ever since I can remember.  Dogs bludgeoned to death were found on rubbish tips, so all had to be tattooed, then it was dogs bludgeoned to death with their ears cut off, and some were not quite dead when they were found few days later ............  I could go on, and on and on.  The industry had one notice after another and they always mess up, and it is not just few individuals, it is from the top down, except maybe for some naive newcomers, who soon find that they either join in or leave. 

Shutting down the Greyhound Industry, doesn't necessarily mean banning dogs racing.  In UK and in Europe dogs (all sighthounds, not just greyhounds) are raced as a hobby, there is no betting, no big prices and the dogs live as pets in their owner's house.  I stayed in Paris with friends who owned 5 racing dogs.  While I was there I used to take all 5 for a walk, we would meet assortment of small dogs and I had no problem holding the pack, they showed no aggression. And people were not scared of them either.  When I mentioned that greyhounds are here considered dangerous, people did not believe me.

Here in Australia, we have couple of amateur racing clubs, in Victoria is a Whippet Racing club, the other sighthound clubs have /used to have race days every few months .  So you can race your dogs without all that  is wrong with the Racing Industry - from the doping, and killing of unwanted dogs, to the incredible cruelty to small creatures.  But that is not what Greyhound Racing is all about it is about gambling and big money.