unions and labor

[*mrgrizz*]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/joe-mcdonald-fined-30000-over-bullying-cfmeu-hit-w...

why was he allowed to rejoin after being expelled in 2007?

[boris1gary]

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@poddster wrote:

Axing corruption is bad??

Is that a union edict?

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missed the point? axing trade unions seems to be a popular slogan among some conservatives, one excuse used is "corruption", yet there is corruption everywhere, all levels of government and business yet silence from these same conservatives, looking after their own maybe? 

[monman12]

"corruption everywhere, all levels of government and business yet silence from these same conservatives, looking after their own maybe? "

B1G, you (always) conveniently overlook the fact that the forthcoming Royal Commission will be investigating builders, companies, management and  any associated entities that are alleged to be corrupt. However,   as organisations such as the CFMEU which grew from the de-registered BLF,  and appear to operate in a similar manner,  they will obviously  star in any corruption/intimidation/industrial blackmail hearings.

nɥºɾ

[ca04]

LL

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Where and when did you make your observations ?

strikebreakers murdering shearers? realy? It was the

strikebreakers that extra police were transported about

to protect from the shearers.

[lakeland27]

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@ca04 wrote:

LL

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Where and when did you make your observations ?

strikebreakers murdering shearers? realy? It was the

strikebreakers that extra police were transported about

to protect from the shearers.

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  both of the early strikes were violent, people were killed on both sides. i'd show you the accounts but i only have hard copies.

[boris1gary]

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@lakeland27 wrote:

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@ca04 wrote:

LL

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Where and when did you make your observations ?

strikebreakers murdering shearers? realy? It was the

strikebreakers that extra police were transported about

to protect from the shearers.

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  both of the early strikes were violent, people were killed on both sides. i'd show you the accounts but i only have hard copies.

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 the Rothbury Affair 1929 - police shoot into a crowd of locked out miners, kill Norman Brown and injure 40 odd miners.

The Sydney Daily Telegraph Pictorial described the event as "the most dramatic industrial clash that has ever shocked Australia."[3]

In June 1930, after fifteen months of living in poverty and starvation, the miners capitulated and returned to work on reduced contract wages. However, the lockout failed to break the resolve or organisation of the miners union.

[monman12]

You left out the part :

"The loss through disputes in the coal-mining industry in New South Wales was £1,397,838, or 88 per cent, of the total loss in wages for Australia.

Exports of Australian coal declined considerably during 1928, as compared with previous years, and oversea competition became so keen that coal was being imported into Australia at a lower price than locally produced coal could be sold. The New South Wales colliery proprietors were unable to quote at a profit against oversea coal, and attributed their inability to do so to the high cost of production locally."

"The Premier of New South Wales proposed that the owners of the collieries should forgo Is. per ton of their profits, on condition that the State Government reduced railway freights and other Government charges by the equivalent of 2s. per ton, and mineworkers undertook to accept reduced rates for hewing and in other wages, equivalent (to Is. per ton). These reductions represented 4s. per ton, and were considered to be the minimum that would be required to stimulate local consumption. In order to compete successfully with oversea coal it was estimated that a reduction of at least 5s. per ton was necessary, and the Commonwealth Government undertook to help the industry by paying a Commonwealth bounty of Is. per ton on all coal shipped out of New South Wales. These proposals were submitted to the Coal and Shale Employees' Federation, and wore rejected by the officials on the ground that the employees were not prepared to accept any reduction in rates of wages."

So in order to sell coal against competition the NSW / Federal government would reduce costs by a total of 4 shillings a ton, and they wanted the employees to accept 1 shilling a ton less.

 So the 1s per ton reduction in wages was  rejected by the officials.  Nothing much has changed when it comes to unions attending to their members interests.

I wonder if the Toyota workers are followers of history

nɥºɾ

[ca04]

Boris

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The mining strikes are another kettle of fish and have a much more bloody history

than any other strikes in Australia.

[spotweldersfriend]

And big business are really like a prop for the libs who gouge money from the predominantly low paid workers to keep their masters and their shareholders happy.
Let's see...the majority is ripped off to keep the 1% or 2% in clover.Sounds a bit like most peoples concept of communism doesn't it?

[tall_bearded]

 “If we have a workplace Federal minister and States ministers and laws are made to protect workers and we have an oversight committee to see that workers are safe why on earth do we still have unions? An anachronistic throwback to dark ages.”

Ever heard of Work Choices. 

Were  these not laws enacted to protect workers, laws which were subject to oversight, and yet laws, used by employers to significantly reduce wages and conditions of workers.

Furthermore if you want to see what happens when employees are inadequately represented, I suggest you look at places such as Bangladesh, or in fact any third world country to which most of our manufacturing jobs have been exported to.  Countries where low pay and unsafe working conditions are the norm, pay and conditions which people like Gina are one the record as say they won’t to reintroduce here.  

[colic2bullsgirlore]

The Mudginberri dispute broke the AMIEU membership especially in NT.

That in turn eroded workers condtions re the tally system and exposed them to individual enterprise bargaining

agreements

The workers in turn then left the industry. Now we have no major (one is being built) abattoirs in the far north of Australia.

The people that complain about the cruelty of live meat export and unions in unison can thank themselves for the

situation.

It appears you can't have your cake and eat it too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudginberri_dispute

The Mudginberri abattoir was the focus of a major industrial relations dispute from 1983 to 1985 in Australia's Northern Territory which was notable for being the first successful use of legal sanctions against a union since the gaoling of Victorian Tramways union leader Clarrie O'Shea in 1969. The successful prosecution of the Australasian Meat Industry Employees Union (AMIEU) under section 45D of the Trade Practices Act (Secondary boycott provisions) was seen by the National Farmers Federation and the developing New Right in and outside the Liberal Party of Australia as a breakthrough in a campaign to break the power of the unions and introduce contract employment

http://cattleproducer.wordpress.com/2013/04/24/where-the-heck-have-all-the-abattoirs-gone/

An industry commissioned report into Meat Processing in Australia dated 1994, stated in  1972 there were 550 meat processing facilities, by my reckoning in 2013 we have less than 100 abattoirs that process red meat, and I can’t help but wonder “Where the heck have all the Australian abattoirs gone?”.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-22/aaco-confirms-abattoir-will-be-built-near-darwin-donald-mcgauc...

Thu 22 Aug 2013,

The Australian Agricultural Company (AACo) says an abattoir proposed for Darwin's rural area will be constructed by the end of next year.

It is expected that the abattoir will process about 200,000 head of cattle a year, drawn from the Northern Territory, Western Australia and Queensland.

Territory Primary Industry Minister Willem Westra van Holthe says the Livingstone Valley facility is expected to employ about 270 people.

It will be the only major abattoir operating in the far north of Australia.