we are 28th in the world in internet speed :(

[***super_nova***]

And we can only hope that the LNP will change their minds, will listen to reason and implement the NBN.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDQY1upYFfI

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5aFEhTyNjc

 and for those who do not understand how much difference it would make, and are unsure about the bits and bytes, and the difference between FTTP and FTTN

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1REhLC8lKo

[not_an_eloi]

how about you declare vested interests, when takin' part  in this conversation

[lakeland27]

Turnbull would like us to be all of the mercy of the telstra monopoly, so they can rort the bleep out of us http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-16/telstra-warned-over-data-roaming/4960376

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@daydream**believer wrote:

From what i understood, the Labor plan would take 10+ years to fulfil and cost heaps.

The Liberal plan would take less time and cost less and only be a little slower in internet speed than the Labor plan.

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For people like you who do not understand why we need the NBN, is why I posted the videos.  If you watched them you would understand that soon we will need the higher speeds.   I recall some 20 + years ago when a friend sent me a photo which he forgot to resize and it was about 200kb, and it took something like an hour to come through LOL.  Now, 200kb file comes through instantly.  As more and more services will be coming to us through Internet we will all need better speed.  Some people will use it for business, some people for communicating with friends and family, but for people in rural areas will be able to access medical services, and education for their kids.  FTTP would be especially valuable for old people, who would be able to stay at home longer and thus ease the pressure on aged facilities.

By the way the FTTN is not just "little bit slower" than the FTTP, it is going to be significantly slower, and in the long run more expensive all around = the installation and use.  The FTTN will not be enough; many businesses will have to pay the connection fee to get the fibre to their place, but many people will miss out because they will not  be able to afford the connection fee.  That means that there will be fewer users, and that will mean that the user plans will be more expensive too. 

[poddster]

Words are cheap backing them up with fact  is more difficult.

You say basis NBN, is that adequate? Oh and by the way what data transfer rate is the basic NBN? comp-arable the FTTN?

[carls*world]

Minor issue. The way our food and job security is being sold out to the rest of the world by both major parties, we've gotta be about 100th in the world for brain speed

[lakeland27]

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@poddster wrote:

Words are cheap backing them up with fact  is more difficult.

You say basis NBN, is that adequate? Oh and by the way what data transfer rate is the basic NBN? comp-arable the FTTN?

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 this is even dismissed by the IT community on the right as a furphy.. FTTN that is.

turnbull is feeling the squeeze i'd say from his terse non-turbull demeanor.. it shows on him. he knows that his cred with a lot of the younger electorate is waning fast. 

[lakeland27]

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@carls*world wrote:

Minor issue. The way our food and job security is being sold out to the rest of the world by both major parties, we've gotta be about 100th in the world for brain speed

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that's really easy to say Carl. nobody presents a case for a 'better system' though, well none that the electorate will run with anyway..

how do we escape FTA's and all of the other carp that maintains the imbalance between being a manufacturer again or remaining a net importer of manufactured goods ?  i seriously doubt the country has the stomach for it unfortunately.

[poddster]

Unfortunately the 'younger electorate' lack experience and knowledge. they have been conned into believing that they NEED ultra fast NBN when in fact they don't have a clue about the subject.

Due to their inexperience they are easily conned int wanting what they have been told that that NEED

[lakeland27]

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@poddster wrote:

Unfortunately the 'younger electorate' lack experience and knowledge. they have been conned into believing that they NEED ultra fast NBN when in fact they don't have a clue about the subject.

Due to their inexperience they are easily conned int wanting what they have been told that that NEED

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 i dont think so.  the needs they have aren't the most pressing, but they carry the most weight within the demographic. short sighted you lot as ever.

[freakiness]

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@lakeland27 wrote:

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@poddster wrote:

Unfortunately the 'younger electorate' lack experience and knowledge. they have been conned into believing that they NEED ultra fast NBN when in fact they don't have a clue about the subject.

Due to their inexperience they are easily conned int wanting what they have been told that that NEED

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 i dont think so.  the needs they have aren't the most pressing, but they carry the most weight within the demographic. short sighted you lot as ever.

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It's a bit of a strange misinformed view that it's the young who are the pro NBN anyway.

Some people just seem to stereo type everyone else and start generalised attacks on certain demographics.

Often the young don't know the difference and have been conned by the old wireless is all we'll need in the future or the nodes will give us faster, better, sooner, cheaper spin.