we are 28th in the world in internet speed :(

[***super_nova***]

And we can only hope that the LNP will change their minds, will listen to reason and implement the NBN.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDQY1upYFfI

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5aFEhTyNjc

 and for those who do not understand how much difference it would make, and are unsure about the bits and bytes, and the difference between FTTP and FTTN

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1REhLC8lKo

[poddster]

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@freakiness wrote:

My small business workplace pays $1500 per year less for a basic NBN service than those that stuck with the basic copper service. They can't use the phone and eftpos at the same time. We can use phone, eftpos, HD skype, G+ video chat, stream ABC24, ABC4kids at the same time without any impact on quality.

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How is it possible to save $1500 per year by having a basic NBN

Here are the rates of the NBN

                          Monthly Price & Quota

                       30 GB         300 GB       600 GB      1,000 GB       

12/1 Mbps      $49.95        $69.95        $89.95        $139.95

NBN P/A        $599.40      $839.40      $1079.40    $1679.40

for a saving of $1500.00 P/A adsl would have to cost

                      $2099.40    $2339.40     $2579.40    $3179.00

Monthly          $174.95     $194.95       $214.95      $264.95    

25/5 Mbps     $54.95       $74.95         $94.95        $144.95

NBNP/A        $659.40     $899.40       $1139.40    $1739.40

for a saving of $1500.00 P/A adsl would have to cost

                     $2159.4     $2399.40     $2639.40    $3239.40

Monthly        $179.95     $199.95       $219.95      $269.95          

[para-sights]

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@catmad*2013 wrote:

The copper has been deteriorating long before the NBN was even thought of.

And they use to replace it... now they do nothing to it... they leave the bad line in place because they are not going to "fix" it when in 1 - 10 years time they are going to install fiber. 

so you have a deteriorating line with nothing to tide you over til the nbn passes your door. which might take forever... or even never for some... 

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And thats the scary part, will those unluck enough not to get FTTp ever get FTTP in the future. Why not lay it down at once so every Australian is in an equal playing field, especially if there is no clear time that they will be stuck in second rate limbo

[freakiness]

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@catmad*2013 wrote:

The copper has been deteriorating long before the NBN was even thought of.

And they use to replace it... now they do nothing to it... they leave the bad line in place because they are not going to "fix" it when in 1 - 10 years time they are going to install fiber. 

so you have a deteriorating line with nothing to tide you over til the nbn passes your door. which might take forever... or even never for some... 

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People have had faulty lines for years and nothing was done about it in many cases.

It has been widely reported following submissions to various senate committees and inquiries.

They often can't even pin point the problem.

The NBN is not the cause of Telstra line problems, nor does it stop their universal service guarantee obligation. They have to fix faults if they affect phone services or provide a mobile at fixed line cost.  They are under no obligation to provide broadband under the universal service guarantee obligation.  

The node model won't speed the roll out up much, if at all. Much of the early work has been building the transit network and POIs before the current ramp up stage.  Where the Telstra infrastructure is bad it will still need repairs and replacement either way. 

The Lib version will cost not much less, if any, millions more per year in maintenance plus electricity and will need replacing by the time it's finished. What is the point?

[freakiness]

Please stop.

I will not disclose my details or the details of the businesses in my areal. 

You are wrong, just accept it and get over it but don't call me a liar and attempt to prove it with ficticious figures. 

You'd be surprised at what people pay Telstra rather than try new comers when they've never had choice before.

Further, I did not specify that they use ADSL.

[catsnknots]

hang on... You raised the prices you are saving and someone responded... 

If you don't want to be quizzed about them then don't post that information on here. 

[underbat]

OK.

This thread is decending into name calling, and becoming hostile, and going off topic.

This is a general warning to all.

Follow the guidelines here:

http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/policies/everyone-boards.html

Behave, or the thread will be locked and removed.

[monman12]

LL: "i do however detect a bias"  So spell it out then LL   I would love to know  what you perceive it to be.

LL: " i don't think there's shame in a private vested interest" ???????? shame????/

What on earth does that mean LL,  considering I have publicly y mentioned before that I own shares in Telstra (a public company), and about 1,500,000 others do also. Do you really believe  I would argue  a case apropos the merits and demerits of two different NBNs  motivated by  my investments  (greed)?.  If so let me point out,  AGAIN,  that Telstra will do nicely regardless of which system is utilised, and I have also indicated before  that FTTH  is the ultimate. I just think most  just want the fastest even though most have no concept of what they actually need, or the national cost

My biggest "gripe" is/was the statutory  bullying of  competing telcos , and the insistence on eventually  shutting down perfectly good HFC and copper data networks together with copper voice networks,  and legislating the NBN  as a monopoly.

nɥºɾ

[freakiness]

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@catmad*2013 wrote:

hang on... You raised the prices you are saving and someone responded... 

If you don't want to be quizzed about them then don't post that information on here. 

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There is a difference in being quizzed and being attacked with made up information by a person making guesses based on assumption alone and by default implying I am telling lies.

I ignored the poster before so he came back with a hypothetical scenario to imply I was lying.

I do not wish to respond to the poster as I wish to be able to continue to post here.

[freakiness]

For those that are not aware the NBN plan prices are set by the RSP chosen. They prices and the options vary.

Prior to the NBN being available in the area there was only Telstra to choose from their business plans started at $200 per month. The prices do not get reduced unless requested. The cheapest plan are about $130 per month plus eftpos calls which are not free calls. 

The people I interviewed in 2012 all said they pay in excess of $200 per month fro their business service. It was a small sample but we live in a small community.  A large business was paying in excess of $6000 per month for the lines they needed and save almost $5000 by changing to an NBN provider.

[lakeland27]

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@monman12 wrote:

LL: "i do however detect a bias"  So spell it out then LL   I would love to know  what you perceive it to be.

LL: " i don't think there's shame in a private vested interest" ???????? shame????/

What on earth does that mean LL,  considering I have publicly y mentioned before that I own shares in Telstra (a public company), and about 1,500,000 others do also. Do you really believe  I would argue  a case apropos the merits and demerits of two different NBNs  motivated by  my investments  (greed)?.  If so let me point out,  AGAIN,  that Telstra will do nicely regardless of which system is utilised, and I have also indicated before  that FTTH  is the ultimate. I just think most  just want the fastest even though most have no concept of what they actually need, or the national cost

My biggest "gripe" is/was the statutory  bullying of  competing telcos , and the insistence on eventually  shutting down perfectly good HFC and copper data networks together with copper voice networks,  and legislating the NBN  as a monopoly.

nɥºɾ

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would you argue that ? it seems to me you have been. either that, or you've mentioned the fully franked telstra shares so often and pursued the topic with such vigor i've been blind to the true motive.

the line about 'shame' is just that. i see no need or justification for any, that's the point . i was attempting to establish (in my clumsy way) that those shares are not a point of contention with me. that's all.

if i perceive a bias that isn't there i do apologise, but i would add that you don't make it easy to discern either way. constant references to how well the stock does gave me the seemingly false impression that they were paramount. sure the overall view you hold is that fttp is superior, but that doesn't come through all that well when you use the worn -out 'what do they need it for'  it shows a distinct lack of vision imo.