where is freedom

[wilk1149]

The only way to even try to maintain freedom is to not let them take away your firearms. How many free countries disallow its citizens to own firearms.

[the_hawk*]

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@azureline** wrote:

I am sorry for your loss Hawk.

Had you read on further before replying....................... I have agreed that they may have found another way........... my other younger cousin also found a rope.

The thing is, I have aunts, nieces and nephews and cousins who found them.............some as young as 5 yo. That's the trauma I was talking about.

I know what I am talking about, just as you do.

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and youngest grandson also lost a good friend last year, he drove his car into a tree a high speed.

people will always find a way.   

[myoclon1cjerk]

My first job was for the Commonwealth bank Pistol lessons and a Browning in a holster in the tellers booth.

Your hypothetical is pointless,poddy.99,9% of people don't find themselves in that situation because of our strict gun laws.

[poddster]

Bank personal, most policemen and security guards are more of a danger to customers and the general public than a villain with a gun.

They couldn't hit a baddie because the vast majority couldn't hit the wall of a barn, even if they were in it and the firearms they have are only accurate to about 3 meters. If the target is moving then they may as well throw the pistol, that may be a better chance.

Now put a load of distressed and panicked cusomers int the mix and you have a disaster waiting to happen.

[iapetus_rocks]

There is no place and no compelling argument for the personal ownership of guns in a truly civilized society. It is axiomatic.

[iapetus_rocks]

(anyone who wants to put an injured (commercial?) animal out of its misery can get up close and personal and use a knife.

or a club or a cricket bat or a four wheel drive vehicle  . .. why keep your distance?)

[myoclon1cjerk]

Or pentobarbitol

[goldenjet16]

Suicides are shown throughout as the gun violence. If a person wants to kill themselves, they will. Instead of using a gun, which is largely effective, they will then use bleach, crash a car, jump from a bridge, cut, or whatever else they can find. The same goes for the criminals that use guns. Instead of these mass shootings, people will go back to using bombs and fire or whatever else. If people want to kill, maim, destroy, they will. It's wrong. And most of the gun violence is from gangs, people who use guns illegally. I agree with the mental health checks, making background checks more prevalent, and punishing those who lie or purchase guns for others. I disagree with the bans on guns and types of guns. That will not cut down violence, while infringing on the rights of others. People are resourceful, make one thing illegal, another will be found to commit a crime. Sad fact of life.

[this-one-time-at-bandcamp]

Not an absolute..............

A study by the Harvard School of Public Health of all 50 U.S. states reveals a powerful link between rates of firearm ownership and suicides. Based on a survey of American households conducted in 2002, HSPH Assistant Professor of Health Policy and Management Matthew Miller, Research Associate Deborah Azrael, and colleagues at the School’s Injury Control Research Center (ICRC), found that in states where guns were prevalent—as in Wyoming, where 63 percent of households reported owning guns—rates of suicide were higher. The inverse was also true: where gun ownership was less common, suicide rates were also lower.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/magazine/guns-and-suicide/

[this-one-time-at-bandcamp]

And again..............

Suicide is the 10th-leading cause of death in the U.S.; in 2010, 38,364 people killed themselves. In more than half of these cases, they used firearms. Indeed, more people in this country kill themselves with guns than with all other intentional means combined, including hanging, poisoning or overdose, jumping, or cutting. Though guns are not the most common method by which people attempt suicide, they are the most lethal. About 85 percent of suicide attempts with a firearm end in death. (Drug overdose, the most widely used method in suicide attempts, is fatal in less than 3 percent of cases.) Moreover, guns are an irreversible solution to what is often a passing crisis. Suicidal individuals who take pills or inhale car exhaust or use razors have time to reconsider their actions or summon help. With a firearm, once the trigger is pulled, there’s no turning back.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine-features/guns-and-suicide-the-hidden-toll/

[polksaladallie]

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@poddster wrote:

No need for anyone to reply but it is worth thinking about.

It someone was pointing a gun at you or your family and you had access to a gun, what would YOU do?

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I would say, "Wait a minute, while I get the key to my gun safe and remove a gun, load it, and bring it back here".