on โ24-03-2020 07:59 AM
โ24-03-2020 10:59 AM - edited โ24-03-2020 11:02 AM
I could only find one listing active and my guess although showing Australia in feedback profile item may come from overseas.
on โ24-03-2020 12:37 PM
on โ24-03-2020 06:36 PM
As of today
Prohibited and restricted items > Price gouging > Medical supplies
has been removed, went to report a seller and Poooof gone.
on โ25-03-2020 08:40 PM
the reporting function for "price gouging" still exists - it just appears they moved the link. you can find it on the ebay home page at http://www.ebay.com.au via the COVID-19 message.
on โ25-03-2020 09:05 PM
This policy is absolutely stupid.
Why Chinese seller from oversea can put them on eBay and those large businesses and established online retailers can PRICE GOUGE on their own websites while small players can't do that on eBay?
Why is it wrong to import these supplies from China (not necessary identifying them as certified medical products but products made to a specific standard), of which manufactured prices are sky high due to increased raw material cost and then resell them for "market value" profit (i.e. too many sellers, prices dropped to the point where it becomes infeasible to sell) is considered PRICE GOUGING?
I'm not even going to the part where the stupid medical experts in Australia (and in other Western countries) with ZERO practical experiences in pandemic claiming wearing masks is useless and people should not wear them. And they go ignore all the other SE Asia places like Singapore, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, Hong Kong and even China where their medical experts have argued otherwise because they have experienced several pandemics in the past and their government actively encouraged and established war-time style strategies to massively produce and distribute masks to their citizens.
We are truly one stupid country and doomed to fail to control this pandemic if we don't learn and follow how those countries where they had already truly flatten their curves.
on โ25-03-2020 09:08 PM
And why Kogan is allowed to sell his 99 L Chest Freezer for $1200 and surgical masks for $69 per 50 (PRICE GOUGE!!! 4 times profit!!) and small sellers aren't allowed to compete with them to bring down prices??
โ25-03-2020 10:40 PM - edited โ25-03-2020 10:41 PM
@mobileempireau wrote:
Why is it wrong to import these supplies from China (not necessary identifying them as certified medical products but products made to a specific standard),
Can I assume from that that you were selling "surgical masks" as giving protection against Covid19 ?
Unless you were selling N95 (or their equivalent) then you were falsely selling them, so no wonder you have over 100 sales in the month but no completed items to show for that. Interesting that you had all those sales as "private listings"..............
on โ26-03-2020 10:53 AM
@padi*0409 wrote:
@mobileempireau wrote:
Why is it wrong to import these supplies from China (not necessary identifying them as certified medical products but products made to a specific standard),
Can I assume from that that you were selling "surgical masks" as giving protection against Covid19 ?
Unless you were selling N95 (or their equivalent) then you were falsely selling them, so no wonder you have over 100 sales in the month but no completed items to show for that. Interesting that you had all those sales as "private listings"..............
I was selling my only remaining ASTM F2100 Level 2 masks. You have absolutely no idea what you talking about on the protection against the virus.
Go ahead and dispute the below.
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Current evidence from an Australian study is that masks can prevent 60-80% of influenza infections in a home setting if used routinely. This means masks could be a useful tool in fighting viral outbreaks like the CV.
Full text: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2662657/
There is also other scientific evidence showing that wearing a surgical mask does provide some level of protection against respiratory infections.
Case in point, Uchida et al (2016) suggested that "wearing of masks were effective in infection control." https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221133551...
Systematic review conducted by Barasheed et al (2016) suggests that "Facemask use seems to be beneficial against certain respiratory infections at MGs (mass gatherings)". https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(16)31010-4/fulltext
While it might not be able to provide the same level of protection as a P2 / N95 respirator, surgical masks themselves appeared to be able to provide at least some protection to their wearers.
In fact, research conducted by Radonovich et al. (2019) indicates that "Among outpatient health care personnel, N95 respirators vs medical masks as worn by participants in this trial resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31479137
You may also want to look at some other evidence provided by Siddharth Sridhar, who is a Clinical Assistant Professor at The University of Hong Kong here - https://www.facebook.com/siddharth.sridhar.5/posts/101583870...
Encouraging people who are displaying symptoms to wear masks and enabling asymptomatic population to wear masks in public / mass gatherings should not be mutually exclusive.
Furthermore, the current advice appeared to be triggering unnecessary hatred towards those who choose to do so to protect themselves or others - case in point: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-hong-kong...
The only thing I agree with you is N95/P2/KN95 respirators that will protect yourself INDIVIDUALLY more effective than medical-grade face masks. However, they are by no mean useless and these medical-grade face masks are made with electrostatically treated middle layer meltblown PP fabric that can filter <0.3 micron particles. The cheap, more commonly made, civilian grade masks imported from China (GB15979-2002 standard) may have a meltblown PP Fabric but are not electrostatically treated, so they can only filter against bacteria at 3 microns.
HOWEVER again, that's what the majority of the people in SE Asia countries use because there is no other choice (lack of raw material supply).
Almost all Australians have never lived through a pandemic, so obviously you have no idea what is effective or not. The ignorance I am seeing from local medical experts ignoring their counterparts in SE Asia countries who have been through SEVERAL pandemics are absolutely staggering.
eBay should be doing a community service by allowing as many people to import as many face masks as possible to bring down prices and massively increase supply, so everybody in the community gets to wear them if they need to go out in public over the next few months. This is the same as what Taiwan has been doing by establishing war-time measures to fast track their own government production and ration them to every citizen.
โ26-03-2020 11:46 AM - edited โ26-03-2020 11:46 AM
@mobileempireau wrote:I was selling my only remaining ASTM F2100 Level 2 masks. You have absolutely no idea what you talking about on the protection against the virus.
You must have had a lot of those masks (or were selling small quantities of them) to have left close to 90 feedback for them.
Were you gaining a healthy profit on the sales of them ? Did you consider donating them to local medical services that were and are in short supply of them ?
You have no idea about what my medical experience is, as I have no idea about yours - are you in fact a medical professional as you appear to imply?
The fact is that eBay deleted your listings for whatever reason, and there's a good chance you're going to end up with INR or INAD disputes opened against you because of that, particularly if you were selling at inflated prices.
on โ26-03-2020 01:37 PM
@mobileempireau wrote:
Why is it wrong to import these supplies from China (not necessary identifying them as certified medical products but products made to a specific standard), of which manufactured prices are sky high due to increased raw material cost and then resell them for "market value" profit (i.e. too many sellers, prices dropped to the point where it becomes infeasible to sell) is considered PRICE GOUGING?
As a business owner, clearly I see nothing wrong in profit, I do find opportunisic profit seekers a little on the off-putting side, but for the most part I subscribe to the sell and let sell philosophy and I'm not judging you personally.
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What standard would that be? You absolutely would not be able to identify them as certified medical products anyway, so there's no "not necessarily" about it unless you paid for the certification and the product actually met the standards (all importers of products like that are responsible for the certifications of their products - this includes everything from a USB plug to medical equipment). This is what I was vaguely alluding to in my first post - if you are importing, particularly from China, you need to be absolutely sure the product meets the specs suppliers say it will, and / or that you do not make any claims about the product that you can't 100% back up with independent proof. If people buy something on the understanding of a product being made to a specific standard and it's not, there are potentially legal ramefications alongside anything else.
If you don't claim them to be anything other than a stock standard face covering, then there's likely to be no issue because they wouldn't fall under the therapeutic goods act which is strictly regulated, but as soon as you imply safety and protection, you're taking a risk, legally and ethically, which increases with every claim you make or imply - all the studies in the world that you can link to won't help if that risk becomes a reality.