on 18-04-2016 10:17 PM
Hi All
I do not post here much, but this has got me absolutely fired up.
Australia Post had advised our local Post Office Agency that there were new forms for International Parcels to be used from today, Monday 18th April. There was a new brochure for pricing of international parcels, but nothing about changes to International Letters.
So at the counter this morning, the PO manager grabs me as I enter with my 50 odd parcels and packages. 30 of those were to be letter post to the USA.
The manager advised that the postal system had changed and that merchandise is no longer permitted within International Letter post. He was trying to work out how to help as he was expecting me and he was on the phone to the area manager.
The process and system has changed. It is our the understanding that all merchandise, no matter how small, must ship as a parcel for a minimum of AU$15 to the USA where it was a minimum of AU$3 previously. This is a 400% increase ! We sent items that weigh 10grams. The size 0 padded bag we send them in weighs as much as the item for a total of maybe 20grams. Why do we need to send these as a parcel in amongst the 2 Kilogram and larger parcels? It is crazy.
But if we set aside the price increase for the moment and look at what it means for processing.
The new labels are bigger than the old forms and do not have a number on them. The tracking / parcel number is only provided after the item is lodged.
The new forms are in triplicate, with carbonless type paper and require that we fill them out in black pen, then the post office staff will enter the details into the computer, then the computer will print 5 small labels which they then place on the parcel.
1 label says Airmail (Duh!) and another a bar code. Both of these need to be peeled and placed on the parcel docket above the address area.
Another label with the postage cost and the barcode is placed on the front of the parcel.
The other two bar codes are stuck to the duplicate yellow and triplicate green copies of the parcel form. The yellow form stays at the post office and the green form gets put back inside the slip case that it came from.... (yep, rip it out, stick a label on it, and put it back!) so it can go to the customs department.
As the sender, we do not get a copy of that form. So we get no record of where or what we sent. We get the tracking number on our receipt but no other information.
Overall the form filling process takes around 5 minutes for me at home and 5 minutes for each parcel at the post office while the staff.
So if I send 1 parcel a week it is not really an issue, but I am preparing 50 or more parcels a week and what used to take a minute per parcel is now a lot longer process.
But that is all irrelevant as it assumes that I can get customers to accept the costs of $15 or $25 to post a $4 item.
It is an impossible situation. The cost will reduce our sales, the time consumed makes it a waste of time doing the prep work, and all up we have to re-think why we would bother trying to trade with this un-viable impost.
on 11-05-2020 03:45 PM
I totally agree today I posted a badge in an envelope to iceland in unregisterd envelope with green customs slip execting to pay $8 ended up paying $28 ($32 including ebay pp commission)
cant get any official fb fom auspost.
Perhaps should have risked sending without customs slip and writing "badge inside" on outside?
@eclectic-oz wrote:Hi All
I do not post here much, but this has got me absolutely fired up.
Australia Post had advised our local Post Office Agency that there were new forms for International Parcels to be used from today, Monday 18th April. There was a new brochure for pricing of international parcels, but nothing about changes to International Letters.
So at the counter this morning, the PO manager grabs me as I enter with my 50 odd parcels and packages. 30 of those were to be letter post to the USA.
The manager advised that the postal system had changed and that merchandise is no longer permitted within International Letter post. He was trying to work out how to help as he was expecting me and he was on the phone to the area manager.
The process and system has changed. It is our the understanding that all merchandise, no matter how small, must ship as a parcel for a minimum of AU$15 to the USA where it was a minimum of AU$3 previously. This is a 400% increase ! We sent items that weigh 10grams. The size 0 padded bag we send them in weighs as much as the item for a total of maybe 20grams. Why do we need to send these as a parcel in amongst the 2 Kilogram and larger parcels? It is crazy.
But if we set aside the price increase for the moment and look at what it means for processing.
The new labels are bigger than the old forms and do not have a number on them. The tracking / parcel number is only provided after the item is lodged.
The new forms are in triplicate, with carbonless type paper and require that we fill them out in black pen, then the post office staff will enter the details into the computer, then the computer will print 5 small labels which they then place on the parcel.
1 label says Airmail (Duh!) and another a bar code. Both of these need to be peeled and placed on the parcel docket above the address area.
Another label with the postage cost and the barcode is placed on the front of the parcel.
The other two bar codes are stuck to the duplicate yellow and triplicate green copies of the parcel form. The yellow form stays at the post office and the green form gets put back inside the slip case that it came from.... (yep, rip it out, stick a label on it, and put it back!) so it can go to the customs department.
As the sender, we do not get a copy of that form. So we get no record of where or what we sent. We get the tracking number on our receipt but no other information.
Overall the form filling process takes around 5 minutes for me at home and 5 minutes for each parcel at the post office while the staff.
So if I send 1 parcel a week it is not really an issue, but I am preparing 50 or more parcels a week and what used to take a minute per parcel is now a lot longer process.
But that is all irrelevant as it assumes that I can get customers to accept the costs of $15 or $25 to post a $4 item.
It is an impossible situation. The cost will reduce our sales, the time consumed makes it a waste of time doing the prep work, and all up we have to re-think why we would bother trying to trade with this un-viable impost.
on 11-05-2020 03:56 PM
Seems like each auspost outlet is a law unto themselves , one has audacity to charge for simple airmail stickers , another insists a penny in an envelope is a parcel ,another insists that an antique military sword can't be posted.some state that account holders don't have their parcels cubed anothers says they need to be,
@jfmgray wrote:I would go to a different Post Office if this was an option for you. My Post Office advises that nothing has changed re international letters and I am still allowed to send small items at letter rate. There is even a pre-paid international letter which has printed information that states:
- When used for letters, documents and printed matter no customs form is required.
- Envelopes that contain goods of any kind, including computer disks, will not be carried by Australia Post unless the appropriate customs form CN22 or C231, available at post offices, is completed, signed and affixed to the front of the envelopes
Their own envellope states that you can send goods with the appropriate CN form.
i have to shuffle from one outlet to another to get a fair quote and intelligent consistent service And These Are CORPORATE outlets!
on 11-05-2020 04:10 PM
as of today 11th may 2020
you dont get the opition economy letter is finished merchandise letters are standard parcels now.
so ship 2 pennies in card board envelope 63grams cost to europe unregistered around 39 full stop
on 11-05-2020 07:41 PM
@gigibabs wrote:as of today 11th may 2020
you dont get the opition economy letter is finished merchandise letters are standard parcels now.
so ship 2 pennies in card board envelope 63grams cost to europe unregistered around 39 full stop
As of April 2016, was the complaint.
Nothing whatsoever to do with current prices, OR current conditions. There are plenty of relevant threads you could have added your opinion to, without digging up yet another dead thread containing information that is no longer current.
on 24-05-2021 03:24 PM
Hi All
I am revisiting this old thread due to Australia Post changing policy & process again, except this time they are actually blocking delivery to the USA for letter post with merchandise.
The same conditions as expressed back in 2016 can be applied.
I do deal with a Licenced Post Office (LPO) rather than a Australia Post outlet. This situation is impacting all LPO owners. If you are thinking of buying a Post Office, you might want to consider the impact of no letters being processed. You might also have a read of this article: https://theconversation.com/australia-post-cant-turn-back-heres-why-140722
The driver that AP are blaming is a USA Customs requirement for AED, which of itself is a mess with all sellers of small value, small weight items, becoming collateral damage in a war on drugs being posted into the USA from China. Review https://www.lexingtoninstitute.org/aed-the-big-postal-issue-that-needs-more-attention/ and https://www.uspsoig.gov/document/implementing-advanced-electronic-data-challenges-and-opportunities and the Full Report on progress in this PDF https://www.uspsoig.gov/sites/default/files/document-library-files/2020/RISC-WP-20-010.pdf . Note that the Full Report has all the statistics which should tell us how successful the project has been, except they are all redacted. Probably due to the program being not-so-much successful and possibly at risk of offending Chinese Authorities.
In any case, if you are a seller, on ebay, or via any other medium, and you want to send to the USA from Australia, with items weighing less than 100grams, listen up. You might want to get in touch with Andrew at https://www.ship2anywhere.com.au/
We are trying to get a process working along similar lines to the now defunct Skippy Post ( Yes, their website is still up, but they are closed), where you can bulk ship smaller packets to a location within Australia from where they will agggregate shipments to the USA and then break out the letter articles to the USPS post as the last mile provider. This is not bypassing the AED requirements, as each small packet will need to have all the details lodged, but it will bypass the Australia Post process and excessive parcel rates.