on 20-07-2012 05:15 PM
I sold a boat,(buyer" bought it now")without ANY communication.
I get to talk to buyer who claims the right of inspection before payment. Dispute registered, relist the boat and am experiencing exactly the same situation.Am hoping it turns out alright this time!
People indicate "buy it now", find it hard to contact them, then try to claim they have the right to inspect before paying, MEANWHILE THE SALE IS IN LIMBO, no one can offer/offers are cut off. People think there is something wrong with your item.
I also indicated that sale is Pay immediately on "buy it now" and same after discussion and agreement on" offers" also.
No one wants to put themselves out to arrange inspection, THEN, buy or offer.
THEY want to freeze your sale, don't pay(breaking a contract) then suggest they have been ripped off by others,so I AM THE SAME.
Not this little black duck.
What do ebay sellers/buyers think?
on 26-07-2012 05:06 AM
neither ebay nor paypal set the sellers timeframe for payment...... the seller does
4 days ???? pffffft
http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/pay/require-immediate-payment.html
Requiring immediate payment
As a seller of an auction-style Buy It Now listing or a fixed price (Buy It Now) listing, you have the option of requiring a buyer to pay immediately with PayPal before that buyer can purchase your item. (4 days???? pfffft)
You might use this feature if you're selling a time-sensitive item or if you want to avoid unpaid items. This feature is only available for PayPal payments.
The helpers will say who would accept a paypal payment for a car or a boat ....................me......... those registration transfer papers will beat an australia post docket any day regarding delivery.
Last car I sold and accepted paypal the fee for the $2400 was $88 odd dollars
OP there is a tab at the bottom of every page entitled site map if you click on that and then select a to z in help topics there is plenty of info there to help you more understand ebays policies
From what I can see the info that has been supplied above more related to what is the "norm" on ebay and does not actually pertain to what the policies say....
Ebay makes no differentiation in their policies in a local pick up buy it now as compared to a buy it now that needs to be posted regarding the commitment that has already been made by the buyer sight unseen. (link please)
In fact ebay includes in its user agreement a clause that states
YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT EBAY IS NOT INVOLVED IN THE ACTUAL TRANSACTION BETWEEN BUYERS AND SELLERS. (then how could ebay set any payment time limits, remember and I quote"it's ebays playground)
AS A RESULT, EBAY HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE QUALITY, SAFETY OR LEGALITY OF ITEMS OR CONTENT POSTED BY MEMBERS ON OUR SITE, THE TRUTH OR ACCURACY OF LISTINGS, THE ABILITY OF SELLERS TO SELL ITEMS OR THE ABILITY OF BUYERS TO BUY ITEMS.
WE CANNOT ENSURE AND DO NOT GUARANTEE THAT A MEMBER OR BROWSER OF OUR SITE WILL ACTUALLY COMPLETE A TRANSACTION OR ACT LAWFULLY IN USING OUR SITE.
and advice on the help section like.......
You need to be at least 18 years old because eBay is available only to individuals who can form legally binding contracts under applicable law. If you are not over 18, you can use eBay only in conjunction with your parents or guardians.
on 26-07-2012 05:17 AM
So if a buyer flaunts a sellers terms regarding payment time as listed in that sellers terms and conditions they have every right to return any payment made after that time period has expired regardless of what systems/timeframes that ebay offer to assist sellers regarding non payment and with the evidence of the sellers terms and conditions ebay would be bound to remove any negative feedback or refuse a seller non performance strike because the buyer flaunted the sellers payment policy timeframe......
A link please to the policy that states a seller cannot send their own collection firm (toe cutter) around to demand payment as per the contract that the buyer agreed to 1 day after the contract/sale was made if that is what the contract stipulated ????
on 26-07-2012 05:33 AM
Having sold a number of larger items stomper I understand completely what you are saying. I look before I bid or offer as well....
and.. yes you are right many offer becasue they cannot "look" till the weekend so they close down the auction or BIN...... very common...... if you do a completed listing search results at items nearest first and use your own postcode in the car category you will see relist after relist after relist with the owners getting chittier and chittier each time and NO SALE
Almost every vehicle ad has something like " no time wasters' or "you are bidding to buy not to look" or "tyre kickers jovially shot".... because plainly there are a million dreamers out there who sit at a computer and dream about the maddest, siccest chariot on earth that they cyber owned for that fleeting second
on 26-07-2012 06:42 AM
Thank you colic2bullsgirlore.
Oh yes, I got a kick back for putting on time wasters etc at one stage.I just want to list my boat and sell it with honesty and integrity..WONT RELIST AFTER THIS TIME, if it sells ,okay,stays with me otherwise. Have had helpers state they are experienced, must be at what you stated, was it frilly dolls undergarments? I like that. I have eBayed for years,always pay with PP.
I have ALL the documentation ready as you indicated. I will not give out popcorn as an incentive. Thank you again.
Will be back in a few hours to see if you have any "unbelievers"
on 26-07-2012 09:30 AM
The helpers will say who would accept a paypal payment for a car or a boat ....................me......... those registration transfer papers will beat an australia post docket any day regarding delivery.
Last car I sold and accepted paypal the fee for the $2400 was $88 odd dollars
This is really REALLY bad advice, probably due to obliviousness about the real lrisk of accepting Paypal on such a purchase.
The risk is NOT from Paypal (which actually is relatively safe). The issue is not whether or not there was "delivery" - that is easily proven.
The problem and REAL RISK is that the person who pays uses a Credit Card to fund the payment. Credit Cards have "buyer protection", and all the card-holder needs to say is that the payment was "unauthorised"....
This causes a reversal of the transaction - the card holder gets their money back (and that gets taken back from the seller without authorisation). The fact that an item was delivered is NOT relevant, and there is no requirement to return the item. It is not relevant whether the item receiver and card holder are the same or different people... the transaction is reversed BY THE BANK, it has nothing to do with Paypal.
Paypal protects sellers against this kind of situation (with Seller Protection) if the item is posted, but this protection is SPECIFICALLY excluded for items that are picked up (and Motor Vehicles too).
So, to re-state... the risk is NOT from Paypal, but somes from accepting Credit Card payments. The credit card payment can be reversed up to 90 days (sometimes longer) after the transaction, and there is NOTHING that the seller can do about it. Therefore, it is really really risky to accept Paypal for items that are collected in person. Just don't do it.
on 26-07-2012 10:09 AM
Hello again colic2bullsgirlore, was going to put the bit about eBay saying they will give you a wide berth in a fair dinkum dispute and they are not a buyers nor a sellers agent in an earlier post,but ,it would be too much for the help to consume. You still don't get it is the "help". Quiet isn't it?
Sincere thanks and regards to an honest eBayer.
stromper-gd
on 26-07-2012 12:11 PM
All the bad vibes are about me getting scammed. What all have described can happen on any sale. Why is everyone happy/wanting this to happen? alana you asked me that before,you obviously have nought to contribute, this is an information/discussion page. Regards,stromper-gd
on 26-07-2012 12:17 PM
that answers that question 🙂
on 26-07-2012 12:37 PM
Coops has put it well. Accepting PayPal on pick up items leaves the seller vulnerable to chargebacks months down the track.
To the original point in layman's terms -
A buyer should inpect item before clicking BIN. If they are happy and put a deposit or pay, then if someone clicks BIN before purchaser gets back to a computer, seller simply advises item is sold. The way it has always been done in other media.
If a buyer clicks BIN, then inspects and item is not as described, buyer cannot be expected to purchase and seller does cancellation, gets fees back and re-lists.
If the item is as described (leeway needed as is subjective), buyer has an obligation to purchase as this is stated on confirming - By clicking Commit to Buy, you are agreeing to and entering into a legally binding contract to purchase the item from the seller. However there are some newbies out there and cancelling is better than pushing the issue.
If you seriously want immediate payment, select it in your listing set up and no one can click confirmation before item is paid. I don't think you were aware of that option. But is messy if you need to refund due to item not as described or buyer does chargeback months later, gets cash and boat.
Good luck.
on 26-07-2012 01:43 PM
Thank you Kopenhagen5.
Convince me that a buyer/bidder can "chargeback", months down the track on an secondhand vehicle/boat that he/she won by auction,? I did not think consumer law was generous enough to a bidder at auction that ignores his/her homework.
Please convince me with factual reference and I will AXE my sale!
I need this help, thank you.Regards,stromper-gd.