Having an issue with a buyer - what to do

Hello

 

A customer purchased a leather jacket, she received the leather jacket and has messaged me saying that while she was happy with the jacket itself she believes it smells of perspiration.

 

I know that this is not the case because it was dry cleaned and not worn since being dry cleaned (sitting in a storage unit in a container of items that would not be taken to my new home but would be 'sold').

 

I stated in the listing that the jacket has always had a 'strong odour', it is a different type of leather that even some drycleaners cannot clean as a specific product has to be used on it. For example the smell would linger in the closet  or on your arms after you wore it.

 

I'm quite frustrated as it cost $100 to be drycleaned and I do not know how she cannot differentiate between the smell of perspiration and the smell of leather/chemicals

 

I don't know how to proceed, I sent a response asking what she would like to do but I do not see why I should have to refund when the item is as described and I know it did not smell of persperation.

 

What should be done in this situation?

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you just made my point

 

there is legal return policy on 2nd hand items...

 

a buyer is not legally bound to offer refunds on 2nd hand items

 

it's fact  it's the law   cut and dry

 

tell me im wrong

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and just to ad..  you all go on about ebay policy, you agreed to ebay policy when u sell  blah blah blah

 

 

when a seller lists an item and states no returns and a buyer buys they are agreeing to seller conditions 

 

 

**bleep** is it with u people that constantly give bad advice...   it's like all u do is suck up !!!!!!!!!

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@bloodlust_03 wrote:

you just made my point

 

there is legal return policy on 2nd hand items...

 

a buyer is not legally bound to offer refunds on 2nd hand items

 

it's fact  it's the law   cut and dry

 

tell me im wrong


You are wrong, if any goods, second hand or not are "not as described" then the seller will be forced by eBay to accept the return.

 

If the seller doesn't voluntarily accept the return, eBay will either make them do it or they will refund the buyer and tell them to keep the item. If that happens the seller gets a defect and probably a neg from the buyer.

 

If they are a small seller, like yourself, that could seriously jeopardise their selling career on eBay.

 

A change of mind return is a different matter, depending on how the seller has set up their return policies.

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@bloodlust_03 wrote:

and just to ad..  you all go on about ebay policy, you agreed to ebay policy when u sell  blah blah blah

 

 

when a seller lists an item and states no returns and a buyer buys they are agreeing to seller conditions 

 

 

**bleep** is it with u people that constantly give bad advice...   it's like all u do is suck up !!!!!!!!!


Did you ever consider the fact that most - if not all - posters on this board recognise that they are not qualified to give legal advice to posters, and that to attempt to do so without an expert knowledge in the area is fraught with complication? Even those with law degrees would be hesitant to provide detailed advice here, for numerous reasons (which I can say with a decent level of confidence, considering there have been two lawyers in the past who posted here).  

 

And so, for that reason, the majority of posters provide advice on how to work with eBay's system, and  - where applicable - provide other avenues or resources where further information and / or action might be taken. 

 

Swearing at people who recognise they are not qualified to give others legal advice and so do not take the irresponsible route by attempting it, is hardly constructive, nor (I warrant) does it make your own posts on the legalities of eBay's practices, any more credible. 

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Refund rights

When buying from a store or seller (including a business online), consumers have the same legal refund rights with second-hand items as they would with a new item.

However, they cannot claim a refund for problems that:

  • the store or seller told them about
  • they should have noticed when examining the item
  • were indicated in photos or the item description on the website.

Exampe case study:

 

Kara buys a second-hand necklace from a vintage store on eBay. The photos clearly show the necklace has surface scratches. Kara cannot claim a refund, repair or replacement for the surface scratches. However, she can do so if another fault develops, such as the clasp breaking. The item's age, price and condition must also be taken into account.

 

Second hand items - Refunds - Consumer Affairs Victoria

 

Also see Guarantees and product safety - second hand dealer and pawnbroker obligations.

 

 

Do note When Consumers Do Not Have a Right to Return a Product, though:

 

When consumers do not have the right to return a product

Consumers do not have a right to return a product if they:

  • changed their mind and no longer want the product
  • ordered the wrong product
  • found the product cheaper elsewhere
  • found a better product elsewhere
  • were aware of the relevant fault before buying the product - for example, if the fault was written on the product's tag, or for online purchases, indicated in any photos or descriptions of the item online
  • damaged the product by misusing it - for example, if they dropped a mobile phone in the water
  • used the product for a long time and the problem is as a result of usual wear and tear.

Also worth reading is the following:

 

Products are supplied to consumers when they are sold, exchanged, re-supplied, let, hired or hire-purchased to consumers.

The automatic consumer guarantees apply to:

  • new and second-hand products
  • sale items
  • products bought from an online business trading in Australia.

Buyers should also be aware of what pertains when buying from an individual who is not a business:

 

When a consumer buys from a private individual seller who is not running an online business, this is called a consumer-to-consumer transaction. Examples include a person selling:

  • a set of golf clubs on Gumtree
  • a vintage dress on eBay
  • used books on Amazon.

The Australian Consumer Law does not apply when a consumer buys from a private seller (and the item is not sold in the course of their business).

However, consumers are still guaranteed clear title of the item, unless they were told otherwise before the sale. This means that the seller must ensure that no one will try to repossess or take back the item (for example, if it was stolen or sold without the owner’s consent); and that there is no money owning on the item.

The seller may also have their own refunds and returns policy with additional rights. Read the policy on their web page or profile.

 

Irrespective of this, because users on eBay signed the User Agreement, they're bound by the terms of that UA, and hence...

 

If the consumer bought products or services from an online auction site, such as eBay or Gumtree, they should first refer to the dispute resolution options available on the online auction's site.

 

 

 Where text is in "dark azure", I have quoted from the Victorian consumer legislation. Check your own state's consumer legislation for specifics applying to your state.

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Excellant research as usual Countess.                original.gif

 

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Now I wonder what we could use your semi-redundant guillotine for ?    original.gif
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It's not redundant, surely!

 

I could still use it for the occasional short post - or as a means of guillotining the eyelashes of malefactors.

 

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@melbournebaddie>I've still had no response. What will happen with the cash PayPal is holding for this transaction?

I assume Paypal are holding the money because you're a new or infrequent seller?  If so, I don't know how long they hold payment, but a phone call to them wouldn't hurt.

As to what happens when it clears - "After your hold is released, it may take until midnight (but it's usually sooner) for the money to appear in your account."

You might want to explain to the buyer that you can't refund the payment until it's cleared (at least I assume this is the case).

More broadly, I agree with those who've suggested your best bet is to refund the buyer and relist the item at a higher price, as it seems to have been a real bargain.

Unfortunately, if it'sjust your feedback that you're worried about, the buyer can STILL leave negative feedback even after you've refunded, so whereas I personally bend over backwards to keep my 100% positive rating (the last time I was negged was 1999), if someone is hellbent on on it, there's not much you can do.


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If you're on facebook, check to see if the buyer is on there as quite a few people have caught out their buyers showing photos of them wearing clothing that they later said arrived damaged.
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received this response today:

Hello, I have tried airing this jacket. The awful smell is still there. This is not a leather smell . Leather has an aroma all its own and it is delightful, I love it. I have been using leather products for over 50 yrs, so I know what it is supposed to smell like. I would like to do a 'NAD' return please.

I told her I will not do a NAD return as it was exactly as described however I will refund her for the jacket and the original postage cost despite my listing detailing the strong leather smell and saying no returns.

I told her to post it back to me registered and that it would be at her expense (I honestly don’t see why I should be 24$ out of pocket for her screwing me around). I already accepted her low offer ending my listing early and had to listen to her sob story now this...

She doesn’t want to pay to post it back she thinks this should be at my expense. What would you do?
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