Pulled apart item by buyer and now wanting refund.

[donnacastillo]

Hi EBay members. Im righting to ask what to do. This person has let someone open and temper with an Omega watch that they won on bids. I feel that i have the right not to refund this person because of this reson. Please. What are my right as a seller on this case. Kind Regards, Donna. PS. They sent me an Email saying that they alowed someone to do so.

[pennyforum14]

Umm....no offence five_eyes, but Clarry, before I jump on the band wagon to berate the seller in this instance, I should point out that we really have no way of knowing if five_eyes really is a watch expert, we can only take his word for it, just as we can only take the OP's word that their story is accurate.  If we take five_eyes at his word, shouldn't we also give the OP the same benefit of the doubt before labelling them as a shonky dealer?

[clarry100]

Point taken.

[davidc4430]

if we take a look at five eyes feedback he seems to have a lot of dealings with watch related sellers. no that doesnt prove he is an expert but he does have something to do with watches.

[digital*ghost]

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@pennyforum14 wrote:

 we really have no way of knowing if five_eyes really is a watch expert, we can only take his word for it,

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Well, it's true that the claim of being a watch expert can't be verified, but all of the information relating to Omega watches in the post can at least be fact-checked (unlike the info in the OP).

I looked up the same Geneve model on a dedicated Omega watch site, just to satisfy my own curiosity - not one component of the watch is listed as solid gold. 

[five_eyes]

Clarry,

I don't assert in any way that any of the OP's listings are fake.

They all appear to be perfectly genuine and original watches, some with poor quality Indian dial repaints that are not mentioned, it's just that the specifics listed re the cases, dials, crowns etc being stated as 18ct is not correct and deceptive.

I have not been an Omega agent for decades, I discontinued selling them in the 70's when they dropped the quality of the movements during the quartz crisis when all of the Swiss companies were losing bucketloads of money.

I am still at the bench in my own business and spend about 70% of my working hours servicing and restoring vintage mechanical watches.

Penny, I quite agree that I could be any old dill, making himself out to be something he is not.

Unfortunately with Ebay having removed the ability to see what a member has bought my feedback gives little clue as to my buying focus.

Perhaps a look at the feedback I have left for others will give a better clue as to my buying habits.

Except for a few watchmaking books, from memory 99% of my purchases have been vintage watchmaking tools, watch parts, watches for parts, and some associated watch stuff like promotional material, signs etc.

I don't sell on Ebay, so can't give another selling ID.

As digitalghost has shown, the proof of the pudding is by someone other than me who knows watches and can also confirm the specific problems that I have referred to with these listings.

[bsal6160]

So it would  appear, another seller for that "Exclude Seller" list

[jimmyjoejoe_jnr]

So is the one that has been bid up to $520 have solid 18ct gold components as advertised I would hate to pay that much and it not be what I paid for.Also noticed it says fits wrist 185cm that's a mighty big wrist haha.

[*tippy*toes*]

A 6 foot wrist, WOW! No wonder the watch is worth so much.

[five_eyes]

Hmmm,

Now is listing Citizen watches, still with the usual spiel regarding 18ct gold and reference to 20 microns.

The problem is that Citizen use ion plating on their cases and bands.

Ion plating is a completely different process and has ZERO gold content, so not even actual gold plated as some of the earlier ones were...

Not going to bother wasting any of my time keeping an eye on this seller, maybe Kharma will come into play some day.

[clarry100]

Surely if someone bought one of these watches and took it to a reputable jeweller along with the sellers claims (item description) then it should be simple enough to get that jeweller to write up a report that counters the claims by the seller.

Then any INAD claim would be clearly won by the buyer. I would have thought that ebay would take such proven claims very seriously indeed.

Or is it just that people are to naive to know what they are buying and simply accept what the seller says?

Just seems strange how a seller can keep on selling whilst making such false claims.