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[mishliscious]

Why are we not permitted to Name & Shame?

If I perceived a threat that is real enough for the police why not ebay???

I and many people bought an item intended for a Christmas gift, yet from this item a waterfall of non-receipt claims began popping up. It was not possible to forsee that this seller was dishonest and stealing my money.

I agreed to close the PayPal claim as the threat i perceived was very real and intimidating.

PayPal and ebay are not concerned with illegal acivities of sellers and these discussion boards have appeared to be a place where others attack you for voicing concerns.

I wanted to share this experience with others to be attacked further.

[phorum_junkie*]

There is a very good reason why you cannot name and shame.

Some very reputable sellers have had their ids trashed and had to close their accounts and start again with zero feedback thanks to having their id mentioned on the boards when the poster meant to type something else and gets one letter wrong.

There are people called lurkers who never post but spend their time as self appointed vigilantes who will target an id which is 'outed' on the boards without bothering to check and see if they have the right seller or not.

You are allowed to give the full item title of an item you are concerned about as then members can find the offending listing and ascribe it to the correct seller.

You weren't attacked, you were told the board posting rules and advised not to mention the seller. You were also told how ridiculous it was to give in to threats from some seller thousands of miles away in another country to say nothing of the fact that their feedback should have had you running a mile rather than buying.

[austeam]

If you were to name and shame on your own website then it would be between you and the person you are accusing, and if what you said proves to be untrue then the accused can sue you direct.

However, if you post it on the boards here in eBay and eBay knowingly allow it then if the accusations turn out to be untrue eBay would be considered liable for any loss in business the accused might suffer.  It is easier for eBay to make a blanket rule of no naming and shaming then to check on the validity of every accusation made.

[patchoo78]

You're also not allowed to discuss deleted threads, so you probably should self report this one as well, before someone else does.. 

[***super_nova***]

If I perceived a threat that is real enough for the police why not ebay???

I agreed to close the PayPal claim as the threat i perceived was very real and intimidating.

If you recieve threat, you should have reported it, eBay would have taken it seriously. 

If you still have the threatening message, you can still report it, and you could call PP and ask them if they can re-open the case.  It may work especially if you have a police report.

Reporting threatening messages to police cannot be compared to publishing info about the threat on public forum.  Police may take action but they do not publicly flog the perpetrator.

Publishing accusation about people is not allowed anywhere, unless you want to get sued.

[mishliscious]

Asking questions is not discussing previous content.

I am curious as to why there is no recourse for victimised buyers?

A threat is defined by what is felt and percieved by the victim, it is not based on what the aggressor felt they were projecting.

The threat to my place of employment was valid enough to report to AFP.

I have lost all faith in Ebay and PayPal, I posted here to get some answers and the only response I get is from people telling me to "Harden up".

I am so glad you can all be so flippant about threats over ebay sales, I pray none of you fall victim to the same crimes.

This situation was not one that could be predicted as the refusal to supply was directed at a particular item. I am not the only one to be left out of pocket with no goods.

The threat was very real and intimidating, but due to Seller protection I am not able to reprint the threats for others to assess, as thats apparently slander. Where are my rights?

I guess there is no justice for the little buyer. I will only buy locally from now on as experience with outside avenues puts me, my livelyhood and family at risk! Lesson learnt!

[foxette-in-sox]

Sorry,I don't get it.You are afraid of a seller in China but you state the following

 I will only buy locally from now on as experience with outside avenues puts me, my livelyhood and family at risk!

I'd be far more concerned if the person was actually living local to me.

[digital*ghost]

I am curious as to why there is no recourse for victimised buyers? 

Not being able to explicitly state the user ID of the seller on the ebay forum does not affect any recourse you might have, in any way whatsoever.

eBay members, who populate these boards and answer threads, do not carry out any form of "justice" as it were, if but occasionally of the poetic variety, depending on your personal views.

There is no one here who can take action against the seller for their threats, so if you want justice, you need to report the seller via the appropriate channels.

In so far as informing the eBay community about the seller, that's what feedback is meant to do. 

You have to understand what defamation and libel are, and that putting up accusations that are essentially conclusions arrived at via assumptions can result in legal action taken against you. By that I mean things that aren't provable facts (thief, scammer and so forth are contestable, because you can't prove that the seller never sent your item, and it doesn't matter than the seller can't prove they did).

If you feel strongly about discussing this situation on the forum, leave out the ID, and stick to facts that are backed up by evidence in your possession only. 

[mishliscious]

The company I work for was listed as my delivery address as I cannot leave work to get to a post office to collect goods purchased.

I have previously found it to be much easier to have items sent to my work.

The company I work for is Massive and world wide. There are many offices for my company in China as well as almost every other country.

The seller being in China does not remove the immediate threat to my place of employment.

I have kept the emails sent where they directly threaten me and the company I work for, as there threats were serious (no one actually has the right to claim or comment that they are not serious) I was forced to speak to AFP in the event this seller decided to follow through on threats eventhough I gave in to their bullying tactics of ripping customers off.

I have the right ot be safe and free from harm, no ebay transaction removes my rights as a person.

[*sparklz*]

Because when another person is named and shamed, others more often than not want to believe what they are reading is the truth and will not believe the REAL truth as the lies are more interesting to believe than the truth.

Why let the truth get in the way of a good lynching to a lot?