Dress was advertised as BNWT but is not new and has been used and has stains

I purchased a dress advertised as BNWT. The dress arrived and I can see that the tags have been re-attached. The lining of the dress has large yellow stains to both underarm pits, and another large yellow stain to the front of the lining. Clearly the dress has been worn and is not new. I paid $60 + postage for the dress. I do like the dress and I would like to keep it and try to remove the stains myself. But it is not BNWT it is used and so I'd like to know what partial refund amount is reasonable for me to ask for? I was thinking one third of the BNWT price, so $20 refund as the dress is used. Does $20 seem a reasonable amount?

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@lezned-toycollector wrote:

Just to further clarify, here is a C&P of the abusive buyer policy (to save time reading through the whole thing, just read the bold text if you like);

 

 

Abusive buyer policy overview

 

This policy outlines our expectations for buyer behaviour. When buyers don't meet these standards, sellers can report abusive behaviour - opens in new window or tab.

 

Engaging in the unacceptable behaviour outlined in this policy may result in a range of actions, including issuing warnings to buyers, blocking buyers from requesting returns or refunds using the eBay platform (noting that this does not prevent a buyer from exercising any legitimate right under the Australian Consumer Law), blocking buyers from opening claims through eBay, and account suspension.

 

When we review a report of a member violating our policies, we look at the circumstances, including the member's history. We make decisions based on the evidence in the individual situation, as well as by evaluating patterns of behaviour that create a negative experience for users of eBay in the marketplace. If we aren't sure about something, we may not take any action. Also, because we respect our members' privacy, we do not discuss the results of any investigations.

 

Behaviours we don't allow

 

Don't demand something not offered in the original listing

 

 
Not allowed
  • Requesting a postage service not offered by the seller
  • Requesting that the seller post to an address other than what you included in checkout
  • Requesting to use a payment method not offered during checkout
  • Requesting that the seller hold your item so you can pay later
  • Requesting a partial refund without returning the item
  • Requesting additional items or services not included in the original listing or asking for a discount
  • Finding an item on eBay and taking the sale off eBay

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I don't see the OP as lacking in ethics.  She may more than likely would not have been aware of this policy you have posted here. A request for a partial refund is a common sense one.

 

I don't come around here much these days as  .. .. ..   well, I'm not going to say it. Said it before on multiple occasions. I'll just say that the OP is on to it!

 

Anyway, I have bought and sold on eBay for nearly 2 decades. I have encountered both the best and worst in sellers. In amongst this, there are sellers who are very cavalier in their grading. Some have no idea on how to grade and some just have the "I wish it was, perhaps it deserves to be because it's rare" attitude. Well grading and stating what an item is has to be actual! If a buyer can't turn around and re-sell the item as per the original graded state then somethings wrong! Anyway, I have had to contact sellers and tell them that their grading on a particular item is inaccurate. One could be forgiven for wondering if some of these sellers possibly grade items in the dark. Anyway .. .. .. ..  Often they offer a partial refund without my even suggesting this. I have never been dishonest about this and never will. Interestingly, I was over-strict on myself when selling. But, good things always come about in the end. I always made a good profit when selling in those days.

With what the OP has suggested to the seller, I just see her being proactive, trying to get a good solution and possibly taking advantage of a bad situation to improve it where the outcome both benefits both buyer and seller. The advantage to the OP is obvious. A partial refund for an item that took time (Time out of her life) to find that compensates her for this as well as the disappointment is very fair. If the stains can come out without damaging the item then bonus. If not, OP made a good effort.


Keep in mind, time was lost in buying this dress. More time will be taken to clean the item and get rid of the stain.

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You - very obviously have not taken the time to read the thread as a whole.

 

Try it.

 

Then come back with ' ethics '.

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@4channel wrote:

@lezned-toycollector wrote:

Just to further clarify, here is a C&P of the abusive buyer policy (to save time reading through the whole thing, just read the bold text if you like);

 

 

Abusive buyer policy overview

 

This policy outlines our expectations for buyer behaviour. When buyers don't meet these standards, sellers can report abusive behaviour - opens in new window or tab.

 

Engaging in the unacceptable behaviour outlined in this policy may result in a range of actions, including issuing warnings to buyers, blocking buyers from requesting returns or refunds using the eBay platform (noting that this does not prevent a buyer from exercising any legitimate right under the Australian Consumer Law), blocking buyers from opening claims through eBay, and account suspension.

 

When we review a report of a member violating our policies, we look at the circumstances, including the member's history. We make decisions based on the evidence in the individual situation, as well as by evaluating patterns of behaviour that create a negative experience for users of eBay in the marketplace. If we aren't sure about something, we may not take any action. Also, because we respect our members' privacy, we do not discuss the results of any investigations.

 

Behaviours we don't allow

 

Don't demand something not offered in the original listing

 

 
Not allowed
  • Requesting a postage service not offered by the seller
  • Requesting that the seller post to an address other than what you included in checkout
  • Requesting to use a payment method not offered during checkout
  • Requesting that the seller hold your item so you can pay later
  • Requesting a partial refund without returning the item
  • Requesting additional items or services not included in the original listing or asking for a discount
  • Finding an item on eBay and taking the sale off eBay

                                            ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

I don't see the OP as lacking in ethics.  She may more than likely would not have been aware of this policy you have posted here. A request for a partial refund is a common sense one.



Ah, but you're clearly mistaken.

 

By using eBay the OP has acknowledged that they understand and agree to abide by all of their policies.

 

Ignorance of a policy that they acknowledged having read, understood and be bound by is no excuse for anybody in the real world.

 

As I previously stated, there is nothing wrong with a seller offering a partial refund. What is being discussed here is the fact that the OP has openly advised everybody that they intend breaching the abusive buyer policy by requesting a partial refund without returning the item. They have then asked others to advise them of an appropriate $$ value to include in their message while breaching said policy.

 

As for ethics... please tell me in which universe it is ethical to take money and not provide goods... earning (if memory serves) a mere 21 negs, 2 neutrals and 2 false positives from the first 25 feedback comments on display. And that's before we even touch on any abusive buyer behaviour.

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You appear to be twisting things around to bolster your position in all of this and discredit the OP. Are you correct in the chronological order of things? It's not all what you attempt to portray from what I see.

 

OP was quite astute, sharp in picking up on what has long been noted as a group effort.

 

 

 

O ?

 

Hmmmm

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Oh for heaven's sake - do your own homework - read back - the lot.

 

You got the information - now go check it out.

 

 

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@4channel wrote:

You appear to be twisting things around to bolster your position in all of this and discredit the OP. Are you correct in the chronological order of things? It's not all what you attempt to portray from what I see.

 

OP was quite astute, sharp in picking up on what has long been noted as a group effort.

 

 


And interesting - for someone who just came in on the thread to call all in agreement - and that would be most who joined the thread - a ' group effort '.

 

Still Obsessed...............................I C

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@lezned-toycollector wrote:

 

 

As for ethics... please tell me in which universe it is ethical to take money and not provide goods... earning (if memory serves) a mere 21 negs, 2 neutrals and 2 false positives from the first 25 feedback comments on display. And that's before we even touch on any abusive buyer behaviour.


LOL - wonder why it is now set to ' Private '.

 

Oh brother.

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Dress was advertised as BNWT but is not new and has been used and has stains

Ummm... are you sure you're replying the the correct person, because your comments really don't apply to me at all. Although to humour your misguided accusations, I will respond.

 

I have merely stuck to stating facts as provided by the OP and/or eBay, and have not twisted a single thing. I also have no need nor desire to bolster anything.

 

As for a group effort... it hardly makes somebody astute to notice something that doesn't exist. Most would refer to such characteristic as delusional - not astute. But yes, you've got me... I am the president and leader of the group of me. It has but one member, and the entire group is on public display every time I ever post anything.

 

It might surprise you to know, but some of us are big people who participate in the grown up world, and don't require assistance to make decisions or form opinions. I apologise if you find my individuality offensive.

 

 

 

 

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Well, I for one will admit that I have learned something new today in terms of buyer requests and it being against policy.

That said, personally I've never had a buyer try to negotiate with me. If I've stuffed up, I'll own it and incur the loss. I reckon that if it's a quality defect I've missed, then it's completely my fault and there's no point getting it back for resale.

 

In terms of the OP's original thread, she might well get a partial refund regardless, but if she can't get the marks and stains out herself, then she's stuck with a grotty garment.

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@jellybirddesigns wrote:

In terms of the OP's original thread, she might well get a partial refund regardless, but if she can't get the marks and stains out herself, then she's stuck with a grotty garment.

 

Personally, I would prefer to return a dress with sweat stains, but of course it's her choice if she really likes it. Maybe she can have it professionally cleaned if she can't get them out? Not sure how much it would cost though.


 

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