Forgive me if this is a dumb question But...

Can anyone explain why buyers leave Negs or Neutrals without contacting sellers first..

 

Ok you go into Coles, Harvey Norman, Target or whatever buy an item take it home and open it up, find it has a small tear, mark scratch or what ever...what do you normally do.....take it back, speak to someone, get a refund  or a replacement.... all is good or do you just walk up to the door and draw a big red circle on the door letting eveyone know you got a faulty item and walk away keeping the faulty item......NO of course you wouldn't......

 

Buy off eBay, pay, receive the item it has a small scratch, bend, mark, wrong size  or what ever, what should be done, contact seller ....YES, try to sort something out.... YES...   BUT what do a lot of buyers do is..... slap a bit red Neg or Grey Neut on the seller...and ignore.....That'l fix 'em.....Why on earth do that.....does that solve your problem...NO....you are left with an angry seller who  probably won't do much to help you, except block you from buying and pass the word arond to all the other sellers who you are and what you did, they then also block you.......What have you gained.....nothing...you are probably left with a faulty item that had you contacted the seller would have replaced refunded or helped in some way.........it just does not make sense.....

 

Ok I agree there are some pretty shady sellers, not only on eBay but also on other websites too....I have come across a couple myself..but mostly sellers are willing to help if there is a problem...give them at least a chance to resolve the problem....you would be surprised at how many are really willing to help you......good honest sellers who may have missed something when packing, accidently sent the wrong item. it does happen we are only human the same as buyers we are all human, and humans make little mistakes when busy.......

 

Why would anyone prefer to slap a neut or Neg on a seller without trying to sort it out forst has got me beat...can anyone shed some light so sellers can understand too....

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I believe that a change in the RETURN OF GOODS POLICY is required by PayPal. If a dispute is opened and found in favour of the buyer, the return postage should be at the SELLERS expense. If this were policy then most negs probably could be avoided due to the buyer knowing they are NOT going to be out of pocket for the sellers mistake/oversight.

 

If I were to buy an item from a B&M store and found it to be broken I simply take it back and get ALL my money back or an exchange item. They dont say "Wait we will now deduct $?? because we have to send it back to the supplier." Nothing annoys a buyer more.

 

That simple peace of mind of knowing "Oh well at least I can just send it back---no problem" would be favourable to sellers in the long run.

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bsal, but did they refund you the money that it cost to get to the B&M to firstly purchase the item and then to return it?

 

Besides, you told me you never get a broken item from a B&M cos you check everything before leaving the store.....

 

hmmmmm


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I wouldnt get a refund for travel because i didnt pay the shop for travel in the first place. The point is at a B&M you get a FULL refund of what you paid. So then by your reasoning I should also be able to deduct the cost of travelling to and from the post office to return an item?

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No matey, not at all.

 

You haven't paid the seller for travel either. You paid them the price of the item plus the costs for them to post your item to you on your behalf. The seller doesn't get to keep the money you paid them for postage, that is given to a third party (Australia Post) on your behalf.

 

As far as I consider things, my tranport costs are not the sellers responsibility at all, regardless of whether they be online or B&M.

 

It's nice that sellers sometimes do offer return postage, and I do so myself where it is my fault and not a change of mind purchase, despite what PayPal direct.


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Ok. We will agree to disagree. But as a matter of interest, how would this work if ebay introduce mandatory free postage? Would it be free postage both ways? Just curious thats all.

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In the Australian consumer legislation there are a particular provisions that apply to return of goods (including faulty and misrepresented) purchased from an Australian business.

 

My read of it is that consumers are generally responsible for all costs to return goods, unless the cost of doing is excessive in comparison to the value of the goods purchased, then the Australian business must organise the collection of the goods. 

 

 

 

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@thecatspjs wrote:

In the Australian consumer legislation there are a particular provisions that apply to return of goods (including faulty and misrepresented) purchased from an Australian business.

 

 

 My read of it is that consumers are generally responsible for all costs to return goods, unless the cost of doing is excessive in comparison to the value of the goods purchased, then the Australian business must organise the collection of the goods.

 

 


Yes, but if the goods are found to be faulty, the seller is supposed to compensate the buyer for the cost of return.

 

"When you return goods to a seller, you must pay postage or shipping costs.

The seller must outline how much it will cost you to return the goods. You can then choose whether to pay the return costs, or keep the goods.

If you cannot easily return the goods to the seller, or return costs are significant – for example, if you were returning a wide screen TV or bed – the seller must pay for postage or collect the goods themselves. However, this only applies to goods with a major fault.

Once the seller has the goods, they will assess the fault and provide you with the appropriate remedy. If the goods have a major or minor fault, you have the right to recover the return costs in the form of compensation from the seller. If you have not paid return costs already and the goods are faulty, the seller should waive these costs."

 

http://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/shopping/refunds-and-returns/online-purchases

 

What isn't clear, however, is whether the buyer is meant to be compensated for the cost to send the item to them in the first place. I understand it's considered "the right thing" to do, but if you look at it from the perspective that buyer purchases goods, pays extra for the service of postage, the goods might be faulty but the postage service was still provided. The policy to refund full, original payment may just be the trade-off. 

 

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Noted and agree.

 

However, it is not a given. 

 

 

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A lot of sellers have no refunds as their refund policy without qualifying it to say that there is of course a full refund for goods that are faulty or not as described. Seeing no refunds they probably think there is little point in contacting the seller.

 

Then there are people who have purchased items that it would cost more than it is worth to return them so unless a seller stated that they will pay for return postage if they are at fault then they don't feel there is any point in contacting.

 

Some sellers are less than friendly in both their listings and communications post sale, a buyer would be understandably reluctant to contact them about a problem.

 

some buyers just don't bother and leave negs as and when they feel like it, nothing much you can do about them other than accept that no doubt they are not picking on you alone.

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This then raises the question "What would considered excessive cost to return?"

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