on โ17-04-2023 02:57 PM
What has happened to buyer protection on here. I purchased a trail camera that I switched on once since purchasing and now its not operating after only two months of ownership. It seems like there is no support or consumer protection for faulty goods. I have messaged the seller a few times and they asked for video and photos to be sent to their email. As the camera isn't working I don't see how that will achieve anything. They claim there is no warranty, but the papers with the camera say 12 months. Is this platform easy for scammers to rip off buyers? I noticed the seller also had negative feedback for a similar issue! How do I report this to ebay as there is no resolution centre anymore.
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โ17-04-2023 03:33 PM - edited โ17-04-2023 03:37 PM
You are mistaking the MBG for a warranty. eBayโs Money Back Guarantee is not a product warranty, so a failure two months later is not covered. If you want a warranty, buy from an Australian seller authorised to sell the particular item.
If you read the Help page on the MBG, youโd be aware of the timeframe. To be able to request a refund for INAD / SNAD, you must open a case no later than 30 days from the actual delivery date. (Itโs 30 days from EDD - latest estimated delivery date - for INR โฆ Item Not Received.) These timeframes are enforced to the millisecond.
Many listings on eBay will include mention of warranty, especially those put up by Chinese sellers. (You can see that they are registered in China by clicking onto their feedback profile page.) That reassuring text is nothing but persiflage and twaddle. These sellers feel quite safe in saying the item has a warranty; they know it is neither covered by Australian Consumer Law nor enforceable by Australian consumer or law bodies.
They also know that by the time most buyers will even know thereโs a problem, itโs too late for a claim under eBayโs MBG.
This sort of item is exactly what you should not buy on eBay - unless the seller is, for instance, a well-known trail camera specialist, or Super Cheap Auto or David Jones or JB HiFi or โฆ you get the idea. These sellers would be among the many who are authorised to sell genuine trail cameras. You know in that case that the specific item is not a grey import (hence potentially no enforceable warranty), and not an unbranded item (hence not only no enforceable warranty but also almost certainly not meeting product specification standards and being manufactured of the lowest quality dirt cheap raw components that are not fit for purpose and are almost guaranteed to fail within a few months).
The unbranded items may sometimes be sold under brand names, as theyโre available for companies to select from a Chinese warehouse catalogue where the would-be seller chooses what items they want to sell under their own brand name (without having any input into specs, components, quality control, Australian standards, etc), and the factory just slaps on labels of the would-be sellerโs name.
At any rateโฆ your only hope for remedy lies either under PayPalโs Buyer Protection (if you bought that way) or in your credit/debit card protection (if your bank covers you for chargebacks for more than two months - which is possible; some cover up to 6 months). Check your card issuerโs T&Cs.
You would in the above instances be covered if the item ARRIVED not as described. If it doesnโt have the capacity or quality that was claimed, you should be able to be refunded.
Donโt try chargeback before trying PayPal. If you do, and the chargeback fails, you cannot subsequently open a PayPal request. You can, however, try a chargeback if a PayPal claim fails.
You should note that PayPal is rumoured not to be available for eBay purchases at some point. If that goes ahead, thereโs no protection longer than one month from date of delivery - except for chargeback.
Best of luck, and please come post here again with updates about how it goes. The posters here value follow-up information to verify that the advice offered is still valid.
โ17-04-2023 03:09 PM - edited โ17-04-2023 03:10 PM
No, eBay is all about the buyer
BUT
Unless you bought the camera from an authourised seller or re-seller, there is no warranty
You did not buy the camera new from whatever store it came from, that is who the 'papers the camera came with' are for. The person who actually originally bought it. Not however many owners down the line you may be
IF it was an authorised seller, and they won't help, contact the company directly
eBay has never honoured warranties nor offered 'buyer protection' for something you used for 2 months
Obviously not the answer you want, but if after being here for nine years you still don't know the basics, there is not much other members can say that is going to please you
โ17-04-2023 03:14 PM - edited โ17-04-2023 03:17 PM
Buyers have all the rights. See if you can open a dispute for item not as described. It may or may not work because the item was working when you received it. It can't hurt to try, providing it's been less than 30 days since the last ETA of the item.
As for warranties, they are nothing on ebay. It is near impossible to claim a warranty on ebay, because despite seller's saying they offer one, it's bull dust. Lip service at best. Something they can string out long enough where you can't make a claim.
Let me guess, Chinese seller? They might say they are in Sydney, but are they? Check their feedback page to see where they are registered. If it says China, just go for a credit card chargeback if that's how you paid, and it's too long for an ebay dispute.
Edited for typos.
โ17-04-2023 03:33 PM - edited โ17-04-2023 03:37 PM
You are mistaking the MBG for a warranty. eBayโs Money Back Guarantee is not a product warranty, so a failure two months later is not covered. If you want a warranty, buy from an Australian seller authorised to sell the particular item.
If you read the Help page on the MBG, youโd be aware of the timeframe. To be able to request a refund for INAD / SNAD, you must open a case no later than 30 days from the actual delivery date. (Itโs 30 days from EDD - latest estimated delivery date - for INR โฆ Item Not Received.) These timeframes are enforced to the millisecond.
Many listings on eBay will include mention of warranty, especially those put up by Chinese sellers. (You can see that they are registered in China by clicking onto their feedback profile page.) That reassuring text is nothing but persiflage and twaddle. These sellers feel quite safe in saying the item has a warranty; they know it is neither covered by Australian Consumer Law nor enforceable by Australian consumer or law bodies.
They also know that by the time most buyers will even know thereโs a problem, itโs too late for a claim under eBayโs MBG.
This sort of item is exactly what you should not buy on eBay - unless the seller is, for instance, a well-known trail camera specialist, or Super Cheap Auto or David Jones or JB HiFi or โฆ you get the idea. These sellers would be among the many who are authorised to sell genuine trail cameras. You know in that case that the specific item is not a grey import (hence potentially no enforceable warranty), and not an unbranded item (hence not only no enforceable warranty but also almost certainly not meeting product specification standards and being manufactured of the lowest quality dirt cheap raw components that are not fit for purpose and are almost guaranteed to fail within a few months).
The unbranded items may sometimes be sold under brand names, as theyโre available for companies to select from a Chinese warehouse catalogue where the would-be seller chooses what items they want to sell under their own brand name (without having any input into specs, components, quality control, Australian standards, etc), and the factory just slaps on labels of the would-be sellerโs name.
At any rateโฆ your only hope for remedy lies either under PayPalโs Buyer Protection (if you bought that way) or in your credit/debit card protection (if your bank covers you for chargebacks for more than two months - which is possible; some cover up to 6 months). Check your card issuerโs T&Cs.
You would in the above instances be covered if the item ARRIVED not as described. If it doesnโt have the capacity or quality that was claimed, you should be able to be refunded.
Donโt try chargeback before trying PayPal. If you do, and the chargeback fails, you cannot subsequently open a PayPal request. You can, however, try a chargeback if a PayPal claim fails.
You should note that PayPal is rumoured not to be available for eBay purchases at some point. If that goes ahead, thereโs no protection longer than one month from date of delivery - except for chargeback.
Best of luck, and please come post here again with updates about how it goes. The posters here value follow-up information to verify that the advice offered is still valid.
on โ17-04-2023 04:10 PM
They claim there is no warranty - simply because they are probably not an authorised seller of this item.
Think you've done your dough.
on โ17-04-2023 06:29 PM
OP states two months since receipt.
on โ17-04-2023 08:21 PM
Ebay has always been a case of "buyer" beware". Ebay will only assist you within their given time limits. You have 30 days after receipt to open a dispute. After that, the seller has no further obligation. Messaging the seller now is pointless and a waste of everybody's time.
If you want a proper warranty, buy from Australian sellers who can genuinely offer one, not a random third party seller on Ebay. This applies whether you buy from a guy just offloading some unwanted items, or a business who happens to have a stock of cameras. Since neither of these sellers are authorised distributors, they cannot offer an actual warranty as manufacturers will not assist with items purchased outside of their supply chains. The paperwork inside is therefore meaningless.
I don't know where your seller was REGISTERED, but can you imagine trying to get a "warranty" from a Chinese seller? It's never going to happen.
on โ17-04-2023 08:55 PM
The seller, ebay, and no one here has any idea what has happened to the camera in the 2 months you have owned it. It may or may not be a warranty issue , if covered by the manufacturer.
on โ18-04-2023 04:13 AM
Dirt cheap electronics don't have the gold plating on the contacts or edge connectors and shouldn't be expected to work after a couple of months.
on โ25-04-2023 05:52 PM
Thanks your reply was the most helpful. They are an Australian seller. Just selling cheap **bleep**. I used the camera once. It failed the second time it was switched on. Also the description for the camera was also incorrect. My lesson is donโt buy anything on eBay as itโs now pretty unreliable to when I first started using it years ago.