Seller cancelled order WON about 24 hours after I won auction - automatic refund given. Rate seller?

Seller cancelled my order (worth $95 plus postage) without any notice, almost 24 hours after I won the auction - automatic refund was given.

When I asked why it was cancelled, she said item was damaged. I asked for a photo as I still wanted the item - she said the item was at her parents & Covid restrictions.

Then she said she actually wanted to keep item!
Do I have grounds for any sort of official complaint or do I just give the worst feedback?
Everything is recorded in Ebay messages.

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@jjw--gracestone wrote:

Seller cancelled my order (worth $95 plus postage) without any notice, almost 24 hours after I won the auction - automatic refund was given.

When I asked why it was cancelled, she said item was damaged. I asked for a photo as I still wanted the item - she said the item was at her parents & Covid restrictions.

Then she said she actually wanted to keep item!
Do I have grounds for any sort of official complaint or do I just give the worst feedback?
Everything is recorded in Ebay messages.


Hi there. Welcome to the forum. I'm sorry to hear of your bad experience. This is not a good thing. Sadly this dishonest practice has been around for as long as way back then and more. I saw your feedback you gave the seller and it was to the point and not an attack. This will serve as a warning to prospective buyers and bidders that they should tread carefully with this seller. It will hopefully get this seller to lift their game and hopefully be honest in practice from here on.

 

Below is a well-known case involving ra157,  a decent bidder who won an item fair and square and then was given the same excuse as you were given.



 

Seller Cancels Auction Sale After Item is Paid for. / Bargains Depend entirely on Goodwill

 

 

https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Buying/Seller-Cancels-Auction-Sale-After-Item-is-Paid-for-Bargains/...


'There should be an investigation and  then a warning from eBay issued to sellers who delve into this practice.

 

I notice that the seller has been a member for well over a year and has only left one feedback themselves. That's a negative!

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@fixnwear wrote:

jjw- gracestone,  I almost felt some sympathy for you because you didn't get  the item - antil I saw the neg. f/back you gave the seller as well as your reasoning for doing so!

Seriously? You really think that will actually stop anyone buying anything from that lady "and will stop her doing it again to someone else?"

My, it looks like there is too much power for one person to wield - NOT - it's a joke, surely?

Your f/back has a zero effect on the seller but it may produce an adverse effect on your account.

Just about everyone I know imediately blocks people who give negs  just to exert some sort of "punishment" on the seller, and most certainly not in the public interest - as public is NOT interested!

They stopped being interested in f/backs long ago - biggest reason being is they are unreliable. Not to be taken seriously if at all.

You got your refund, girl told you she wants to keep it - end of story. You should have respected that and had this  been anywhere else but Ebay where there are no f/back facilities you would have!


OP's feedback comment for the seller is about as legitimate a neg as you'll find and is exactly why the feedback system is useful. It's precisely the sort of thing I look out for when researching a seller.

 

Your objections are nonsensical.

 

 



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@fixnwear wrote:

jjw- gracestone,  I almost felt some sympathy for you because you didn't get  the item - antil I saw the neg. f/back you gave the seller as well as your reasoning for doing so!

Seriously? You really think that will actually stop anyone buying anything from that lady "and will stop her doing it again to someone else?"

My, it looks like there is too much power for one person to wield - NOT - it's a joke, surely?

Your f/back has a zero effect on the seller but it may produce an adverse effect on your account.

 

 


Hi fixnwear, I too saw the negative left by the OP and it's justified, sensible and to the point. OP was quite within their rights to leave this FB and it's going to be a handy guide for others dealing with this seller. I hope the seller will lift their game,  realise that being honest is the best way, become a great seller from now on and after some work reap the benefits.

 

To me, I would be cautious with such a seller and so would many others.

 


@fixnwear wrote:

 

 

Just about everyone I know imediately blocks people who give negs  just to exert some sort of "punishment" on the seller, and most certainly not in the public interest - as public is NOT interested!

They stopped being interested in f/backs long ago - biggest reason being is they are unreliable. Not to be taken seriously if at all.

You got your refund, girl told you she wants to keep it - end of story. You should have respected that and had this  been anywhere else but Ebay where there are no f/back facilities you would have!


This is not about punishment. This is about a buyer doing what they should do and that's leave a negative for a negative experience. I'd say that the OP will hardly if ever encounter any blocks in bidding / buying for leaving this negative. The seller said the item was damaged and then said they want to keep it. If buyers weren't able to leave negatives, many borderline sellers would be ripping folks off left right and centre. The negs keep many of them on the good side of the border,

 

Getting a refund is not the end of a story. Please think about the time the OP took to bid on the item, get their hopes up and then have them dashed with a story that we've heard so many times before.

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Tazzieterror, 

"your objections are nonsensical"

Well, they make perfect sense to me - otherwise I wouldn't have said none of  it.
Same as your ideas and preferences and habits when shopping here make perfect sense to you!

What you also need  to respect is the fact  that we all have the right to different opinions and no matter how many times you tell people they are wrong and you are right is ever going to change that!

Do you seriously think we are all going to stop dead in our tracks and think "gee, I must be stupid, now I see the light, now I see just how brainless and nonsensical I am"

The difference here (I think) is that I wouldn't dream of  of arguing with anyone who decides to keep their item and give me the money back! Nor would I have any delusions that my f/back is going to help other buyers! Especially a bad one. The only person bad f/back would help would be ME!  In some perverse way would maybe make me feel better - but I doubt even that!
And also, don't rely one bit on f/back especially on Ebay - how could anyone hold that as a gospel?
I have already mentioned it before to someone - we always make a point of buying from people with bad f/back (if there is a choice in the sellers for the item we need) - the worst it would happen is you don't get the item, or you get **bleep**py item, either way buyers are adequately protected.

Except it hasn't happened yet!

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@4channel

 

as with a post last week, the link you posted goes nowhere!  You need to update the text you quote from.

 

Your claim that it is a well known case is misrepresentation.  The only reason it comes up these days is because you bring it up.

 

Now, I could post about that thread and how you misrepresent the facts surrounding the transaction, but it wouldn’t do any good.  All I can do is bring to light your incompetence when posting that useless link . . . . again.

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@fixnwear wrote:

Tazzieterror, 

"your objections are nonsensical"

Well, they make perfect sense to me - otherwise I wouldn't have said none of  it.
Same as your ideas and preferences and habits when shopping here make perfect sense to you!

What you also need  to respect is the fact  that we all have the right to different opinions and no matter how many times you tell people they are wrong and you are right is ever going to change that!

Do you seriously think we are all going to stop dead in our tracks and think "gee, I must be stupid, now I see the light, now I see just how brainless and nonsensical I am"

The difference here (I think) is that I wouldn't dream of  of arguing with anyone who decides to keep their item and give me the money back! Nor would I have any delusions that my f/back is going to help other buyers! Especially a bad one. The only person bad f/back would help would be ME!  In some perverse way would maybe make me feel better - but I doubt even that!
And also, don't rely one bit on f/back especially on Ebay - how could anyone hold that as a gospel?
I have already mentioned it before to someone - we always make a point of buying from people with bad f/back (if there is a choice in the sellers for the item we need) - the worst it would happen is you don't get the item, or you get **bleep**py item, either way buyers are adequately protected.

Except it hasn't happened yet!


So you want your own opinion respected, despite the fact that you just used it to denigrate another member for employing feedback in exactly the way for which it is intended?

 

You argue that feedback is not useful - the public "is NOT interested" you claim - yet you still seem to have found cause to hide your own feedback profile, I notice.

 

And on what are you basing your claim that the OP argued with the seller? The OP asked the seller for a photo as they were still interested in the item despite it being "damaged" - that seems a pretty reasonable request to me and not in any way quarrelsome.

 

Just so you're aware, when a seller chooses to list an item on eBay they are agreeing to follow through with the sale as per eBay's T&Cs, so while your opinion might be that a seller choosing to renege on a sale is something a buyer should respect, that opinion is at odds with what you have agreed to by signing up to use the site.



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@fixnwear wrote:

jjw- gracestone,  I almost felt some sympathy for you because you didn't get  the item - antil I saw the neg. f/back you gave the seller as well as your reasoning for doing so!

Seriously? You really think that will actually stop anyone buying anything from that lady "and will stop her doing it again to someone else?"

My, it looks like there is too much power for one person to wield - NOT - it's a joke, surely?

Your f/back has a zero effect on the seller but it may produce an adverse effect on your account.

Just about everyone I know imediately blocks people who give negs  just to exert some sort of "punishment" on the seller, and most certainly not in the public interest - as public is NOT interested!

They stopped being interested in f/backs long ago - biggest reason being is they are unreliable. Not to be taken seriously if at all.

You got your refund, girl told you she wants to keep it - end of story. You should have respected that and had this  been anywhere else but Ebay where there are no f/back facilities you would have!


Hi fixnwear and everyone else

I'm just going to hit on 2 points here that everyone seems to make. feedback does not matter for sales anymore you can have 95% and still get the same amount depending on what products you sell. How ever it does mattter for people who ACTUALLY read it. Feedback as long as your aren't ridiculesly low (which I find impossible because you'd be banned before then usually comes from INR or SNAD) or have a lot of disputes (INR, SNAD). They also removed top rated seller so it doesn't matter for people under 98%

 

I would also like to point out, she'd also get a defect for this and no refund for the PayPal fees. So I think this case has been solved.

Lastly fixnwear, agree with everything you said but i think you went a little harsh on them. Maybe choice of words.

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@k1ooo-slr-sales wrote:

@4channel

 

as with a post last week, the link you posted goes nowhere!  You need to update the text you quote from.

 

Your claim that it is a well known case is misrepresentation.  The only reason it comes up these days is because you bring it up.

 

Now, I could post about that thread and how you misrepresent the facts surrounding the transaction, but it wouldn’t do any good.  All I can do is bring to light your incompetence when posting that useless link . . . . again.


Hi k1ooo-slr-sales, I just clicked on the link and it works.

 

 

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Seller Cancels Auction Sale After Item is Paid for. / Bargains Depend entirely on Goodwill

 

ra157
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Registered: ‎04-30-2018

on ‎04-30-2018 01:24 AM


https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Buying/Seller-Cancels-Auction-Sale-After-Item-is-Paid-for-Bargains/...


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So I have posted it here again. Not sure why clicking on it works for me but not for you. However, I think you were right about it last time with the link not working.

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@jjw--gracestone wrote:

Seller cancelled my order (worth $95 plus postage) without any notice, almost 24 hours after I won the auction - automatic refund was given.

When I asked why it was cancelled, she said item was damaged. I asked for a photo as I still wanted the item - she said the item was at her parents & Covid restrictions.

Then she said she actually wanted to keep item!
Do I have grounds for any sort of official complaint or do I just give the worst feedback?
Everything is recorded in Ebay messages.


You are entitled to feel disappointed as it is pretty poor form on the part of the seller. However, they can't be forced to post an item if they change their mind and to give the seller her due, at least she issued an immediate refund. I could be wrong about this next part but I also think she may have to pay some ebay fees as the cancellation was at her request.

 

Your feedback was excellent. That's very useful for any other buyer who checks it out.

 

It sounds to me as if the seller might be fairly new to selling-a private seller anyway, not a business. Someone mentioned that sellers can block buyers who give a neg. Sellers can block anyone they want to without giving a reason, but if this is a fairly young, inexperienced seller I doubt she will even know that. A lot of casual sellers don't.

 

Someone else mentioned you need 2 accounts, one for your own buying and one for selling. I would second that. I believe you when you say you are buying for your own use & selling off anything that doesn't fit, but the point is, anyone who quickly glances through your selling record won't know that. If they see a lot of clothing being sold, they may well suspect you are buying from them to re-sell.

 

To a casual seller, that might alarm them, they might think that they had underpriced their item. There's nothing in life that makes people value something more than when they see others after it.Smiley Wink

 

So get a separate selling account.

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Hi!

 

FYI - the seller buys and sells A LOT on Fb groups - they don't have the charges there that Ebay does? She also uses a different name - I was very surprised when it showed up on my ebay Paypal transaction!

 

I buy more than I sell, and most often at a cheaper price - I sold one thing in the past month (before that, I sold 6 items in May, mostly purchases that didn't fit) & have only one item currently open. And my feedback rating is 100% positive a the moment 🙂

 

Cheers

 

 

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