on 30-03-2017 05:30 AM
i have opened a cas with ebay about parts missing after getting nbowhere with the seller and got the following response
We are really sorry for that issue. We deside to send another full set to you after double check with our warehouse. However, there is a problem here, our system is unable to process a replacement order if a dispute case remains open. It recognizes your payment as uncleared (because PayPal is now holding the money) and it cannot go ahead to release this new order. Hope you can understand the situation. Therefore,would you please close this dispute case in advance so that we can proceed to send the order to you again? You can rest assured that I will keep my promise and a replacement will be shipped to you immediately when this dispute case is closed. Thank you. Sincerely, Tean Customer Service Representative"
I am wanting to know if i close the case can they renig and i am left with an incomplete proiduct....or does ebay back me
30-03-2017 06:17 AM - edited 30-03-2017 06:17 AM
Do not close the case or you will never see your replacement and they know it. You can message the seller and explain that due to buyer protection rules you cannot close the case until you get the replacements. The seller can't refuse to deal unless you close.
on 30-03-2017 10:36 AM
maranock, you have to wonder how many (possibly Asian) sellers get away with this blatant lie - and others along similar lines - and rip unsuspecting buyers off ?
IMO they should be dealt with by T & S severely to put a stop to it.
As if.............................................
on 30-03-2017 11:34 AM
on 30-03-2017 11:54 AM
I can't help wondering how a buyer would get on if they did close an ebay dispute and did not get the promised item.....could they then open a paypal dispute? After all, paypal is the go to option if an ebay dispute fails.
Has anyone ever heard of this scenario?
on 30-03-2017 12:03 PM
I'm going to preface this post by saying that i agree with the others about not closing the case without having a refund or replacement.
But, I also wanted to say that as a seller, I will also refuse to send out a replacement if an eBay case is open. This has nothing to do with the payment being on hold, as - at least for me - that does not prevent me in any way from being able to post an item, and has everything to do with the shortcomings of eBay's dispute system. They do not provide an official option to send out a replacement, where this can be recorded in the resolution centre and extend the time available to sellers to resolve an issue and allow for delivery of the new shipment.
By which I mean, if I send out a replacement and it doesn't arrive within 5 days (i.e. the date the case can be escalated), the risk to me is too great (I not only could lose the original and subsequent shipment, as well as any money paid for the item, but I'd get a defect known as 'case closed without seller resolution' - a seller is allowed a maximum of 2, or just 0.3%, of these, before eBay can take action against them, causing selling restrictions or even indefinite account suspension). I would never ask someone to close an open case, though, just explain that I'm only able to provide limited options to the buyer.
I do recommend that if people want replacements, it's more likely if they don't open any kind of case (keep an eye on time limits of course, the last thing I want is for people to forego protection, I'm more trying to let people know that they can effectively eliminate some options via opening a case).
on 30-03-2017 01:25 PM
As a matter of interest Digi....how many of your customers agree to negotiate with you without opening a dispute?
If you read the boards there seems to be so much distrust between buyers and sellers that no-one wants to believe anthing the other party says without the backup of a dispute in ebay or paypal.
The reason for the distrust is another story but is an amicable resolution even possible in ebay without the backup of ebay's big stick?
on 30-03-2017 03:27 PM
Perhaps surprisingly, I get more people contacting me directly than opening disputes (a lot of people who do open cases don't realise that's what's happening, as they just follow the prompts to communicate with the seller). I think part of the reason I get more direct messages though, is because often it's about missing items from an order, which some people might not view as 'not received' or 'not as describe', but something different so eBay's steps don't appear to cover this (not 100% sure, as it's been a while since I've had a look at what comes up when people go to contact a seller about a transaction issue). I do want to say, though, that in my case, more than half of the "missing item" messages I get are - shall we say - suspect.
I actually had a particularly unique case just recently, where the buyer opened a not received request. The package had tracking so they had first attempted to query things with Aus Post, but as there was only a 'lodged' event and nothing further (for a few weeks), the case could only be deferred to me.
When I replied to the case, I explained what I was able to do and happened to mention that although I could get in touch with AP, I can really only offer a refund because I don't have the option to send a replacement, and have limited time before I need to action it, which is not enough time for an AP investigation.
I then got an email to advise the buyer had closed the request (this was not requested at all, nor did I say anything like "I can send a replacement if you close the request"). They sent a message saying they closed it so that there would be enough time for the AP investigation - long story short, I told them that since it had been so long since originally posting the item, I would rather they didn't have to wait for their purchase any longer and sent a replacement via express post the same day, requesting that if the original did turn up, to please mark it as RTS unopened.
I do feel like I'm being blackmailed (by eBay, not the buyers) into taking certain, specific actions when a request is open, though, which is bad from a customer service perspective as it means I basically have to deny the customer's needs or preferences in favour of protecting myself from eBay, so as much as I am aware that it's mostly just a way for buyers to communicate an issue to sellers, and the dispute is a side-effect, it still significantly reduces my options and I can't help but find it an abrasive (for lack of a better word) action, and always prefer that cases not be opened (this would largely be mitigated if A) I could trust eBay to take my evidence into account where applicable, and B) they provided an option to send replacements).
on 30-03-2017 03:55 PM
Yes agree with that Digi, is system is to rigid, should be more flexable ie partial refunds, and replacements allowed.
30-03-2017 04:39 PM - edited 30-03-2017 04:40 PM
Thanks for the very detailed reply Digi.
Knowing what you sell it seems to me that your customers are more likely to respond to a reasoned reply from you than some other sellers.
As a buyer only I find the ebay site very confrontational...as soon as I buy an item I am faced with a list of options but the one that hits me in the face is Return this Item. Ebay does not even try to encourage buyers to be happy with their choices...or take any responsibility for them.
All too often I see buyers coming to the boards asking how to get their money back even before they have received the items.
It is all rather depressing for me as a buyer....I hate to think how sellers feel about it all.