Stained used clothing

[amber-eyed-girl]

For anyone who receives stained used clothing, please be aware that it is against eBay policy for the garment to have been sold in that state.

http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/policies/used-clothing.html

eBay policy has been changed to clearly state this so there is no confusion.

In the past, there has been debate over what constituted thoroughly cleaned, which was the prior wording, now it is unambiguous.

Which is fairer for both the buyer and the seller, as there can be no misunderstandings over the nature of stains.

I love vintage clothing. Hopefully this will encourage more people to love it too 🙂

[thecatspjs]

Now that you put it like that Amber I actually see more likelihood of the policy being abused by buyers for change of mind returns and scams TBH

[amber-eyed-girl]

stain free is clear.

no stains...any reasonable seller will abide by it and watch the shifty ones lose business.

happy ending for everyone.

[*crikey*mate*]

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@digital*ghost wrote:

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@diamond-halo wrote:

maybe its a way of them explaining why they don't have the tags anymore or why they want to sell them?

not sure, I kinda scroll right past them, just in case....

*shudders*

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When you think about it, there's quite a few uses for them that don't mean they have to touch anyone's skin.

Grapefruit hammocks, or any other fruit etc that's kinda round and can get a bit tired; those firm push-up ones could double as an easter egg mould, which is coming up; emergency gas mask (though perhaps not the sheer lacy ones), tie a few together and go bungy jumping (the adjustable slide thingies might be a problem).

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you'd have to be careful though, cos the chociolate for the easter egg molds might leave stauns that are tricky to get out LOL

maybe little tiny bird nests, birthing suites foir the pet spider, headware, earmuffs

possibilities are endless really

[*crikey*mate*]

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@amber-eyed-girl wrote:

Bungy jumping can increase eye pressure, so bang one on your head to keep your eyes in place...just kidding there, OK?

that will not stop the pressure.

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protective eyewear for extreme sports (specially the see through ones)

weasr em under ski masks to stop the chaffing

[*crikey*mate*]

sand castle competitions to make the hills and stuff

[digital*ghost]

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@amber-eyed-girl wrote:

Digi, it boils down to this.

your little mark could be disputed by the buyer as to nature, or size, or removability

the buyer goes to Paypal

The buyer has to pay, in most cases, for return and is not happy

the buyer says, I am gone, no more eBay. Rightly or wrongly, that is how it can play out.

thus depriving you, and others here, of return custom.

having a broad rule where nothing like your little mark or a stain is allowed, prevents this.

i think I have said this a few times now, and I think most sellers will adjust, maybe grumble, and pass on the costs to the buyers.

who should in the main be more satisfied.

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I think you are still kinda missing the jist of where I'm coming from.

I understand where you are coming from, and I'm not disputing or arguing with your points, I am trying to highlight other aspects of the issue, so what I'm driving at is actually the opposite of talking about what it boils down to for sellers and/or buyers.

But I do have to say that I'm doing that because, as an (admittdely former) clothing seller, I know from first hand experience that the statement:

most sellers will adjust, maybe grumble, and pass on the costs to the buyers. who should in the main be more satisfied. "

is on overly simplistic end-of of the story (as it were -  using an allegory), and the story itself is more complicated, plus not everyone is going to get that ending, and when i take an interest in these issues, it's cos I'm considering the ones who don't. 

There's a reason I don't sell clothes anymore, and it's not because my other stuff got too popular. I worked really (really) hard to make a go of the stuff I sell now because it got to the point where it simply wasn't viable to keep grumbling and pass on my increased costs to buyers. I couldn't adapt the clothing line of things any more, and I'm really darn thankful I managed to find something else that I could grow as a business. There will be a point where that just can't happen anymore, especially in a market like clothing where brand new stuff can be cheaper than the cost of postage in AU sometimes. 

The stains thing... might not have affected me much, I did buy a few vintage pieces here and there, but I largely stuck to NWT and modern pre-owned stuff with no damages, but every thing that doesn't seem like that big of a deal when isolated contributes to a bigger thing - that is from the indvidual seller's perspective, which is different than the marketplace perspective. 

[digital*ghost]

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@diamond-halo wrote:

sand castle competitions to make the hills and stuff

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Put some dry rice in 'em, stitch 'em up and hey presto, sexy lacy maracas! (May require some fabric stiffener).

[amber-eyed-girl]

I am seeing this from the perspective of the buyer and the seller, in straight terms. That is true. As that is an important factor going forwards here, on the Buying board.

the policy is there, it is new, it addresses some issues. Does it open up others? That's what we are getting into 🙂

that does not mean I fail to see your perspective.

I have sold clothes online and in stores, new and vintage, restored clothes, including beading, repairs etc., and designed costumes.

this is why this interests me.

please remember, that most stains are removable, so how is that going to affect variety? it will affect prices, but across the sellers. Not in isolation. Not just one. Everyone.

does anyone want to play pot luck with their purchases? That will be minimised as most sellers (I trust and do believe) want to do their best to follow the rules and make money by keeping their buyers happy.

the only garments that could not be sold are those that are heavily stained, where damage would result. There would be little interest in those.

or specialty vintage garments that are museum quality, and should not be treated except by experts.

if eBay improves its reputation for vintage clothing, the market will improve. Who else offers stain free as a rule?

not markets and the like.

people who were not interested before may be inclined to buy, due to better fabrics, better made, etc. and unique finds.

[*crikey*mate*]

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@digital*ghost wrote:

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@diamond-halo wrote:

sand castle competitions to make the hills and stuff

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Put some dry rice in 'em, stitch 'em up and hey presto, sexy lacy maracas! (May require some fabric stiffener).

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those wheat bags that people use for muscle aches

or use em for hot water bottles for baby (with the warm wheat in them not water)

fine strainers in the kitchen

I spose using them as seedling pots would cause them to get stained, so that's out

[digital*ghost]

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@amber-eyed-girl wrote:

I am seeing this from the perspective of the buyer and the seller, in straight terms. That is true. As that is an important factor going forwards here, on the Buying board.

the policy is there, it is new, it addresses some issues. Does it open up others? That's what we are getting into 🙂

that does not mean I fail to see your perspective.

I have sold clothes online and in stores, new and vintage, restored clothes, including beading, repairs etc., and designed costumes.

this is why this interests me.

please remember, that most stains are removable, so how is that going to affect variety? it will affect prices, but across the sellers. Not in isolation. Not just one. Everyone.

does anyone want to play pot luck with their purchases? That will be minimised as most sellers (I trust and do believe) want to do their best to follow the rules and make money by keeping their buyers happy.

the only garments that could not be sold are those that are heavily stained, where damage would result. There would be little interest in those.

or specialty vintage garments that are museum quality, and should not be treated except by experts.

if eBay improves its reputation for vintage clothing, the market will improve. Who else offers stain free as a rule?

not markets and the like.

people who were not interested before may be inclined to buy, due to better fabrics, better made, etc. and unique finds.

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Argh!  I just sat here for about ten minutes trying to think of how to articulate my response, but my mind's gone blank lol - I got as far as "All good points", which lends itself to being followed by a but, but I didn't want to put a but in there, so I got stuck and then my brain fizzled.