Sterling Silver Buying Guide

burdekinlad
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Here ya go Digital, how's this for one of the Guides you're trying to talk me into doing ....


 


Sterling Silver Buying Guide.


 


As a jeweller I am often faced with people bringing items they have purchased from various sellers claiming the item to be STERLING SILVER, when in fact the items turn out to be anything but Sterling Silver.


 


So what is Sterling Silver?


 


For any item to be claimed as being Sterling Silver it MUST contain a minium of 92% pure solid silver.


The International recognised standard for Sterling Silver jewellery items is noted as being 925, which in fact means the item contains 92.5% solid pure silver.


This standard is set because pure silver, or 99.9% pure silver, is a too soft a material to accept day to day wear and tear, so other alloys are mixed in with the pure silver, usually copper, in order to give the item a better hardness value.


This means that 925 Silver will contain 92.5% pure silver, and 7.5% copper, or other recognised hardening alloy.


 


Unless the item is in fact a solid mass of the above ratios of materials it CANNOT be legally claimed to be STERLING SILVER.


 


However, many sellers, and purchasers alike, simply do not understand the meaning of the word STERLING when being applied to silver items.


It in fact means SOLID.


 


The term Sterling Silver CANNOT be applied to any item that contains less than a minium of 92% pure silver of solid form. Therefore any item which is simply coated in silver using electro plating techniques CANNOT be claimed to be Sterling Silver, only as being silver plated.


Unfortunately, many sellers are being permitted to get away with such illegal activities.


 


So, how can you test to check if the items you purchased via the internet etc. is in fact STERLING SILVER or not?


 


There are two methods for doing this, the first is carried out using specialised testing equipment, usually by a jeweller like myself, or in a testing laboratory, but this is time consuming for all concerned, and can be expensive to the purchaser.


 


The far less expensive method can be carried out in moments in any jeweller’s store, or even in the comfort of your own home. It’s called ‘The Scratch Test’.


 


You can easily purchase a silver test kit at quite reasonable cost through various methods, the easiest, and often the most convenient being through somewhere such as Ebay just by looking up SILVER TEST KITS.


 


These test kits will come in two forms, one will include what is known as a ‘Scratch Stone’, and the other will only provide you with the acid solution required to carry out your test.


This test will NOT harm your item, so don’t panic about that part of things.


No matter which kit you use the basics of using them is the same:


 


You cause a wound to be made (Scratch in layman’s terms) into the surface of the item being tested, and then apply just one single drop of testing solution to that wound, and wait for a few moments.


 


If the solution turns a cream colour, you have real Sterling Silver on your hands, so you can then simply wash the item off of the solution in warm soapy water and go off happy, and hopefully leave wonderful feedback for the seller of the item if it was purchased through Ebay.


 


BUT


 


If the test area turns green you will not be so happy because it means the item is not Sterling Silver, but is made of a far lesser material, usually merely silver plated.


You have been taken for a ride, or in simple terms, you’ve been conned.


 


All is not lost though because if the item was sold to you using the wording 925 Silver, you have a solid case against the seller for fraud and deception, even if the item later turns out to be made from say, 50% pure silver, because 50% cannot be claimed as being Sterling Silver anywhere in the world, especially when it was clearly sold to you as being 925 Silver, or Sterling Silver.


 


So, how do you then go about proving your case to somewhere such as Ebay?


 


Firstly, photograph the test area to show the green colour of the test area, then the whole item to prove it is the very same item as pictured in the advert offering it for sale.


Ensure you have all the details of the sale so you can forward all your evidence to the Ebay Customer Support people, and do it immediately.


 


Next, lodge a Paypal dispute for a refund due to the item not being as described, and escalate the dispute into a claim immediately.


Ensure you give all the evidence details to Paypal immediately, even a copy of the photos you took of the item as a whole, and the test area.


 


Paypal are pretty good when it comes to having that level of evidence given to them and will find in your favour for a full refund, but only if you do things properly, and in time.


You shouldn’t even be expected to return the offending item to the seller at your expense, probably not at all in fact as it could well be required as evidence in court if the case ever gets that far.


 


However, if you do not receive your refund and have paid using a credit card you have a second shot at things with getting the credit card company to chargeback the sale against the offender.


 


And finally, there is always the law of the land, as this sort of thing is simple fraud and deception. Very frowned upon in Australia, and it’s Federal Law, not only State Law involved.


 


The very last resort if all else fails is that you might care to consider calling upon is the Department of Fair Trading Australia.


Yes, even if the item was purchased from an overseas seller via Ebay!


 


The reason for this is because Ebay is subject to the laws of Australia if it has been fully informed of the fraudster’s actions, and continues to permit that fraudster to continue selling other fraudulent items via Ebay into Australia afterward.


 


Legally Ebay should suspend the seller’s right to sell further items immediately, pending a total ban of the offender once the case has been proven against them via the evidence that has been lodged.


However, Ebay may require a further test of the offending item be carried out by a certified jeweller such as myself, who will supply a written statement concerning the tested item, or Ebay can simply accept the photographic evidence supplied by the purchaser.


 


By rights the purchaser should not be required to pay for such an extended test if Ebay requires it carried out, as Ebay then becomes the party requiring the further test and is therefore legally responsible for payment of that test to be performed, but if you have such a test carried out without Ebay requesting it be done, YOU must bear the cost yourself.


 


The law of the land is far more powerful than anyone realises all too often, so do not be afraid to take your case all the way to the top, and don’t permit anyone to drag things out before you act to do so. Just be reasonable and act politely.


 


At the end of the day you are making online shopping in places such as Ebay a far safer experience for all concerned.


You are carrying out your legal and civic duty as a citizen. Well done!

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I'd buy from you, d*g, with or without hallmarks.




:-x - And for that I'd give you a great deal 😉 :^O


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gameboarders
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None of the silversmiths I know stamp their work, including myself for the little bit I do, and we all work in minimum 925 as that's the minimum standard to be recognised as Sterling silver.


 


I don't work in gold, just too expensive for me to play about with, but I know one or two goldsmiths, Burdekin who posts here being one of them, who will always stamp their gold work, but never bothers to stamp their silver work.


 


I have bought silverwork from Burdekin and he always tells you that you should have it tested, and if it should ever test out at less than 925 you can keep it for free, and he'll give you twice as much back in cash as you paid him for it on top.


Every time I buy stock in from him I keep praying that I can show his silver to be even just 1% lesser quality than he says it is but never managed it.


I jokingly asked him once why he can be so bloody sure of himself.


He told me that he doesn't risk anything, so when he states 925 the item is actually a minimum of 930. Does that make that old bugger a cheat or what lol.

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gameboarders, does burdekin actually smelt his stuff? Or does he buy parts from factories / smelters?



I agree,  NONE of the silversmiths that I know hallmark their stuff and most don't '925' stamp either especially the smaller stuff.

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burdekinlad
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Yes Rabbit, Burdekin smelts his stuff and works from scratch.


He makes his own master items from copper before creating the gold and silver pouring molds from them.


He's one of the old style jewellers and goldsmiths and has worked in that sort of stuff for over 40 years while I only play a little around the edges of being a real jeweller lol.


 


Some of the sort of thing Burdekin creates is way out of my league.


I've seen some of his gemstone work too, unbelievably good stuff.


 


He did his apprentiship in the UK where he originates from working with the guy who used to do all the work for the Royal Family and other top nobs.


He only quit the UK after his wife and kids were killed there sometime around the mid 1980s because he said that if he didn't he would have gone after the drunk driver that hit his wife's car and killed them all.


 


He's still listed in the UK as a Master Goldsmith.

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burdekinlad
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I thought as you were talking about me I may as well answer you myself rather than have someone else tell you about me secondhand lol.

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burdekinlad
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Gameboarders, I don't like being the topic of a public conversation, no matter how well meant it may be intended, so start playing silly buggers as I did above, so please refrain before we have a falling out.

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gameboarders
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I apologise Burd. No harm was intended.

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lyndal1838
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Did we mess up our IDs??


Sounds like someone was talking to themselves...bang goes the credibility of 2 posters.?:|:^O

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Yes Rabbit, Burdekin smelts his stuff and works from scratch.


He makes his own master items from copper before creating the gold and silver pouring molds from them.


He's one of the old style jewellers and goldsmiths and has worked in that sort of stuff for over 40 years while I only play a little around the edges of being a real jeweller lol.



Some of the sort of thing Burdekin creates is way out of my league.


I've seen some of his gemstone work too, unbelievably good stuff.



He did his apprentiship in the UK where he originates from working with the guy who used to do all the work for the Royal Family and other top nobs.


He only quit the UK after his wife and kids were killed there sometime around the mid 1980s because he said that if he didn't he would have gone after the drunk driver that hit his wife's car and killed them all.



He's still listed in the UK as a Master Goldsmith.




Please explain???



How was the trip to Thailand there Burdekinlad?

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Yes, I have know therabbitsback for 73 years. He's the best guy you'd ever hope to meet. Handsome devil if I do say so. Absolutely brilliant guitar player. Once played with Eric Clapton at the Queens command performance and Eric remarked how he felt very intimidated by therabbits playing. Actually Steve Vai said the same thing about therabbit. Actually, the Queen and Phil came down afterwards and congratulated therabbit and offered him a Knighthood but therabbit turned it down.



Whoops! Meant to use one of my other ids.

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