Thank you Thank you Thank you

[oldworldlady]

My son, old enough to know everything, came rushing in to find me and tell me he'd sold his Land Cruiser on Gum.....

The guy was even going to pay with Paypal and have his mate pick it up as he was working offshore.

Thanks to all you lovely people on here who have publicised this enough for me to be able to warn him in time.

I told him to ask for cash or Western Union only.

He hasn't heard back, yet...

]:)

[colkym]

If someone is silly enough to pay PayPal, for a pick up item, I suppose they could, but as the buyer is expected to inspect the item before handing over cash they will probably lose if they try and open a Not as Described Dispute

A buyer shouldnt be able to open a dispute for a pick up item- as they are not covered under paypal buyer protection policy:

https://cms.paypal.com/au/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-content&content_ID=ua/UserAgreement_full&locale.x=en_AU#Schedule%202.%20PayPal%20Buyer%20Protection%20Policy

4. Eligibility

4.1. You may be eligible for the PayPal Buyer Protection Policy if the following eligibility requirements are met: you use PayPal as your payment method when you make the payment; and  your payment is less than $20,000.00; and your payment is not a personal transaction payment and is made through: an eBay “Pay Now” button or an eBay invoice; orthe “Send Money” button of your Account by selecting “eBay Item” and entering your eBay User ID and the eBay item number for purchases on eBay; orthe “Send Money” tab on our Website, by clicking the “Purchase” tab, or by selecting the “Checkout with PayPal” button or otherwise selecting PayPal as part of a Seller’s PayPal checkout flow; and your payment is made from your Account and not directly from a Credit Card processed through our Website Payments Pro or Virtual Terminal service; and  pay the full amount of the item in one payment. Items purchased with multiple payments – like a deposit followed by a final payment – are not eligible; andItem Not Received or item received but Significantly Not As Described; andyour Account is in good standing; and your purchase is for a tangible, physical good that can be shipped or delivered. For the avoidance of doubt, the PayPal Buyer Protection Policy does not apply to: intangibles (for example digitally delivered goods), although, subject to this clause, we may cover intangibles which have been transferred to a physical media (such as paper or CD-ROM), for example: electronic tickets that have been physically printed and shipped;services;licences and other access to digital content;travel tickets (including airline flight tickets);sale of business; and your purchase is not for: 

vehicles (including cars, motorcycles, caravans, boats and planes);real estate;custom made items;industrial machinery used in manufacturing; oritems prohibited under our Acceptable Use Policy or by eBay's "Prohibited and Restricted Items and Services" policy (which will prevail in the event of any inconsistency with this policy);items which you collect in person, or arrange to be collected on your behalf;quasi-cash items such as gift cards and other pre-paid cards; and you file a “dispute” online in the “PayPal Online Dispute Resolution Centre” within 45 calendar days of the transaction and in the event that the dispute remains unresolved, you escalate the dispute to a “claim” under the PayPal Buyer Protection Policy within 20 calendar days of the date you filed the dispute; andthe seller has not provided valid Proof of Shipment. If the seller has provided valid Proof of Shipment in relation to an Item Not Received claim, you may not be eligible and we recommend that you obtain postage insurance to avoid misdirected postage.

[***super_nova***]

There's NO WAY I would ever pay for anything with Western Union, but it's safe for the receiver to accept it. I think it was really meant for family transfers and things where trust was absolute.

but WU is very expensive; transferring money to family member is much easier done through direct deposit.  Or as a gift through PP, if your bank makes international transfer difficult.

[viewmont1071]

If the  Western Union payment is funded with a stolen/skimmed credit card it does not matter if you go and pick the cash up from the PO and have it in your hot little hand.

From experience the next knock is the fraud squad.....no car no goods is the result

Do not accept payment via WU from somebody you do not know.

Sometimes the scam involves sending "extra money" for freight to the seller that is forwarded onto a freight comnpany. In this case the scammer is only after the freight amount to be diverted to another account or address...and the scammee gets to keep their car.. maybe not be charged and be left with a hefty bill to repay the money that was passed on

http://www.scamwarners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=23022

[viewmont1071]

http://www.fraudaid.com/contact/processing_scams-01.htm

this is an extremely intricate money forwarding scam that works on the same premise....

It is advertised as a stay at home business debt collecting outstanding money... and wouldn't you know it "appears" you have a knack for it because you rarely get knockbacks and are collecting oodles of money into your PP acount or via western union then into cash and into your bank account and are starting to think about how bigger figure your 12 % will be.....

You dutifully keep your cut and pass on the rest... after a cupla months....knock knock knock.... and you find out that everybody you thought you were collecting money off was actually the scammer, an ally or an alias (the australian telephone numbers you were ringing are diverted to somwehere in Europe) and all the money you collected laundered (not just the bit you kept) you are liable for

[oldworldlady]

yep,

Cash in hand is best for selling things like cars. I won't even suggest WU in future.