What about the absolute lies on ebay?

I recently bought a little "sport camera". It claims to have a 140 deg viewing angle. There are 3 zooms: 1X 2X 3X. At 1X I have measured the Viewing Angle to be 40 deg.

It also claims to allow 

"Shooting Mode: Single Shot / Self-timer / Continuous Shooting
Time lapse: 2sec,3sec,5sec,10sec,20sec,30sec,60sec"

 

There are no menu options for any of those. I asked the seller, who could not provide any instructions on the problem.

 

The camera also says it is an SJ4000. It isn't. This claikm is made by many sellers.

 

I checked another similar camera, describing itself as 

"Ultra 4K Full HD 1080P Waterproof DVR Sports Camera WiFi Cam DV Action Camcorder"

It shows a picture that claims a 170 deg viewing angle. Yet the specs claim (yet again) a 140 deg viewing angle. My mind starts to wonder. They are not even bothering to get their (possibly false) claims to line up.

Although it had "4K" in the title, its specs say 1080.

 

It claims to have a remote control. But the packing list shows no remote control.

 

It claikms to have WiFi. I have to wonder.

 

On a more dangerous front, I bought a "2 tonne" ratcheting winch. It claims to have a 2 tonne breaking strain cable. A two tonne winch should not come with a 2 tonne breaking strain cable (if even that claim is true). The break point should be 2-4 times the claimed working limit. The only good thing is that I know these winches and there is no way they can pull 2 tonnes.

 

These are sold by sellers who post from Australia and I feel should qualify as Australian sellers. We have laws about safety and also false advertising.

 

I realise these are cheap. But how come all these ridiculous claims are allowed.

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Do as I do if it's to good to be true then I move on,just don't buy the **bleep**.

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If it is the one you have recently left a neg for, that seller is in China and has horrid feedback

 

They are allowed because eBay Australia won't do anything about sellers in China and because people keep on buying buying buying from them 

 

I trust you opened item not as described disputes on the items? 

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@meoldnick wrote:

 

 

These are sold by sellers who post from Australia and I feel should qualify as Australian sellers. We have laws about safety and also false advertising.

 

 


All of your last 5 negs are for sellers registered in China with dodgy feedback. Look at their feedback page, that will tell you where they are registered - and that will probably be where the items come from.

 

Avoid high-volume sellers with less than 99.5% feedback, and if you want electronics or items where safety is an issue, buy from a real Australian seller or a B and M store where you'll get better quality items and a real warranty.

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They are not policed by eBay, because it would be a full time job and just not be practical for eBay to check every listing.  eBay's role is to bring buyers and sellers together, from there it really is "buyer beware" If something sounds too good to be true then it usually is!  If you received an item that wasn't as described then complain to the seller, and if they don't refund, open a dispute in eBay and get your money back.

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You get what you pay for. Stop buying cheap carp from China and you may get better quality. You never mentioned any brands, so I can only assume they are cheap yum cha knockoffs.

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I can only agree with your comments.  The naiveity of some people never ceases to amaze.  They buy a product for a fraction of the advertised rrp elswhere on reputable web sites and guess what - they end up with some cheap Chinese knock-off, and then cry they have been ripped off.

 

The Chinese counterfeit sites thrive on the naiveity of such buyers, who they know don't care about the negative feedback the receive as this is just the cost of doing business.  That is the mug punters will still make he purchase and the ratings do not have a material impact on sucking in new lemmings.

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My mind boggles at the number of people who buy without reading feedback, or they read feedback and think it'll go well for them. I realise a lot of people wouldn't know that you can click on the number for negatives and neutrals and it'll bring up all the negs together (or neutrals), but honestly, it's like buyers would walk into a shop and buy even if there was a big sign on the door saying how dodgy the shop was.
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@meoldnick,

 

I realise that the temptation of the low price ($23.59) is tempting. However, while you're saying to yourself, "$23.59? That's nothing. I can afford to risk losing that if it's a dud!", what you're doing is reinforcing Chinese stereotypes about greedy foolish westerners (esp. Australians) who will go for the low price in our thousands upon thousands, even when the price is far far far too good to be true. Most of the purchasers won't even notice that there's a problem; studies show that many consumers buy upon the promise of certain specifications without having any idea about using or even confirming those specifications.

 

  • The title of the listing states "GoPro", but the listing specifics state that the brand is "HAPPY".

  • Member since: 22-Apr-16 in China. 98.4% feedback score. (Far far too low for a high-volume seller. I use 95.5% as my cut-off point for a high-volume seller, as a general rule.)
 
Two negatives specific to this very item that you bought:
Negative feedback ratingFaulty product. Offered $5 of $23.59. Gave us run around. Buyer Beware.       Buyer: o***9 ( 401Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Negative feedback ratingMy item is detective I opened it turned it in and the screen is green       Buyer: f***l ( 1 )
 
The sort of camera you want is probably around the $900 mark. I'd imagine that the GoPro Fusion would be exactly the sort of thing that you'd absolutely love! But while shopping around may get you something of a bargain (e.g., Cameras Direct for $828, and this would include a proper warranty), you're never going to get the genuine article for the price of two cups of coffee and some croissants.
 
If I were after one of these, I'd do my research beforehand, work out how much it would cost me, and if I could afford it (and only then) I'd get the best deal I could, with genuine warranty, from an Australian business. If I couldn't afford it, and really wanted it, I would save up until I had the spare money for it without leaving myself short. I eschew both the "irresistible" low price of fakes, and the temptation to buy goods on credit.
 
I wish I could properly express just how damaging it is to buy from the worst of the Chinese eBay sellers, who see us as mugs whose loss of face in being prepared to buy fakes for low prices gives them increased face in business. When we complain about cheap rubbish on eBay and a proliferation of Chinese sellers on eBay, why do you think that is? We're all but standing there on the tracks, saying, "Run us over!" We can do much better with good Chinese sellers by demonstrating knowledge of Chinese business and culture, and refusing to play the fool while respecting our Chinese business partners in the way that Chinese culture engenders respect. But the "it's only $xx, so it's worth a punt" approach perpetuates the damaging cycle of cheap fakes flooding into Australia and foolish buyers being fooled. We're all capable of being foolish, so I don't mean to denigrate you. It's human nature.
 
Buy Australian for this sort of item. There are genuine Chinese sellers out there, but the enormous risk on eBay is that one doesn't see them selling here (as a rule) - certainly not the sort of items you're buying. Electronic and electrical goods, and brand name goods, are best bought from authorised sellers. Sometimes it's worth going the "grey goods" route, but sometimes it is definitely not. Electronic items come into my "definitely not" category.
 
I hope you follow through with opening a dispute, refusing a partial refund, and refusing to post back to a Chinese address because the item listing does actually state that item location is Chullora, NSW.
 
Just a follow-on note: Chullora (along with some other Australian locations) is frequently stated in Chinese listings as the item location. There are warehouses, Chinese logistics companies, delivery black holes there. If the seller is Chinese (which you can see in their feedback profile page), assume the item is coming from China, no matter what the item location says.
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And even more so how many say something

 

"I had no way of knowing how bad they were"

 

Or, the other way and how many say

 

"I saw all the red dots" .....but they bought anyway (hmmmm,they were suddenly going to come good ?)

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