What really is FREE POSTAGE ?

 

I have been reading the many comments given in the light of ebay's delve, into the "cost" Sellers charge to post a said item. Without bringing up all that has already been mentioned, l am a bit confused now.  What l have been watching was a Video Card for a PC, Seller had it for BIN @ $7.95 with Postage added of $5.95    Same Seller now has same item BIN @ $16.95 FREE POSTAGE.

 

So looking at that example, l fail to see any FREE POSTAGE there at all.   Is is better to still show the actual cost of postage, along with the actual cost of the said item ?  Do ebay still "profit" no matter what out of the cost of postage to the said Buyer , which the Buyer is paying for.

 

I myself feel that it is not right to have a Seller claim you are getting FREE POSTAGE, when in reality, that is NOT THE CASE.

 

Just my thoughts though. Thank you.

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@fixnwear wrote:

 

attic, there is no free postage in Australia - or anywhere else.

The only time it would be free to us (buyers) is if the sellers paid for it out of their profits.

No seller would do that  unless they sell items that are hugely marked up.


Actually, I beg to differ about that.

 

Whether you buy an item that costs $10 + $10 p&h, or $20 + 'free postage', the postage all comes out of the sellers profits. An item is 'worth' what you/others are prepared to pay for it (I mean 'most' others, there are always those with more money than sense).

 

Whether you buy the item + p&h or with free p&h, you aren't going to pay IN TOTAL more than it is worth to you/others. If something is worth $AA in total, then that's what it's worth, not just to the buyer but to the seller also. Regardless of how the postage is presented, or paid, the fact remains it is paid, and ultimately it's paid out of the sellers pocket, out of their potential 'profit', because at the end of the day the buyer has paid in total $XX for something worth at least $XX to them & others, whereas the seller only receives $AB (B = deductions for postage cost & fees).

 

So for example, you buy something worth in total $20, you've done your homework & shopped around & that's genuinely what it's worth. You aren't liable to pay an extra amount for postage above and beyond what it's worth, or above what you know you can buy it for elsewhere. Yet once the transactions completed the seller is left with $20 less the postage cost & less ebay & paypal fees. It doesn't matter how it's carved up, the seller always pays the costs out of their pockets, and thus in fact & in deed, the postage is always free to the well researched buyer.

 

 

(The few exceptions to this are the over the top pie in the sky BINs that are priced well over true market value, that occasionally will dupe a lamb to the slaughter more money than sense buyer  that hasn't done their homework/due diligence as regards an items true market worth... or when auctions 'blow-up' because two such ill-informed buyers go at it.)

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@modestbods wrote:

@fixnwear wrote:

 

attic, there is no free postage in Australia - or anywhere else.

The only time it would be free to us (buyers) is if the sellers paid for it out of their profits.

No seller would do that  unless they sell items that are hugely marked up.


Actually, I beg to differ about that.

 

Whether you buy an item that costs $10 + $10 p&h, or $20 + 'free postage', the postage all comes out of the sellers profits. An item is 'worth' what you/others are prepared to pay for it (I mean 'most' others, there are always those with more money than sense).

 

 


Postage is a separate service offered in addition to the item, and has an independent value. 

 

That's why many people will knowingly opt to pay more for items that are delivered to them.

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@kopenhagen5 wrote:

Lets not forget the sellers that DO give free postage.

 

Sometimes when I'm in a good mood and the buyer is very nice, I will give free postage out of my profit.

And if they turn out to be nearby, I will even personally deliver it F.O.C.

Makes everyone feel happy and that flows onwards.

The way the world should work, me thinks.

 

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Thank you Kopes - when I was selling I really did do FP - I was the importer and could offer 'HONEST FREE PSOT' because my overheads were less than the average eBay seller.

 

I actually gave up trying to explain this way back when....

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@digital*ghost wrote:

 

"Businesses should be particularly careful of the use of the word ‘free’. The idea of getting goods or services without charge can create keen interest in consumers. Consumers will usually think of ‘free’ as absolutely free - a justifiable expectation."

 

 


Agreed, but tell it to eBay... it's not the sellers pushing it, it's eBay, and they're doing it for exactly that reason you quoted "The idea of getting goods or services without charge can create keen interest in consumers."

 

Due to spiralling ebay & postage costs I've recently unloaded thousands of items at market that I had originally intended to offer up on ebay. Items genuinely worth between $5-$20 each, & I sold them all for between 20c - $2 each.

 

Why? Because if they measure more than about 16mm thick they can only be posted via parcel post at a minimum of $7.15 for the small items under 501gms, with anything larger costing $17.15 minimum to post. With ebays end price fee of 9.9% and paypals fees, there is a further cost of approx 12% added to both the sale price & postage. There was just no point in listing them, it wasn't worth the time or effort. It's not that there wasn't 'enough' profit, there was simply NO profit... and forget about recouping either; the time spent taking pics & editing listings, or the original outlay/investment purchasing them.  So instead I virtually gave them away to truly happy yet stunned market-goers... time after time being asked "how can you sell these things so cheap?", or, "are you sure that's the right price?" True, the price wasn't much, but it was a damned sight better than I would end up with via ebay.

 

The point of critical mass for value >><< cost had been reached and passed for the viability of selling those particular items of mine via ebay. Sadly that same point is fast closing in on many other items I have, along with a great many items others are currently selling through ebay, and before long many sellers are going to do the math and realize that they're effectively working for ebay & Australia Post, either for slave wages or for free...& when that happens, and it will, there won't be a whole lot of pre-owned bargains, or much in the way of variety, left to find on ebay.

 

Buyers are right, greed is ruining it, but you're wrong too, it's not the sellers greed. LOL most sellers can't afford to be greedy, they're too busy effectively giving their stuff away, it's just that many of them haven't realized it yet... but soon they will.

 

 

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@digital*ghost wrote:

 

Postage is a separate service offered in addition to the item, and has an independent value. 

 

That's why many people will knowingly opt to pay more for items that are delivered to them.


 Hmmm, I have never really looked at it that way, but I can see your point. Plenty of people will pay more than double the price for a pizza to have it delivered to the door as opposed to drive/walk down the road to pick it up. Me, I always get pick up Pizza.

 

LOL well, using that logic, I guess I can honestly claim to offer free postage regardless of if I stipulate 'free' or + postage, because I base my max price point's on what it's worth in total, like if you went and bought it from a shop/dealer, less a little bit off the top to be competitive. 

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So sad to see eBay going down the scam way too.
Turns me off. 😡
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I 100% guarantee that polly no longer cares about your opinion, SIX years down the road.

 

Why did you bother bumping this thread, given you haven't answered the questiohn, nor provided anything relevant to the discussion?

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I think we should cut to the chase here and go back EIGHT years to the very bottom of the pile.

It's about time the Commonwealth Bank got a shoe in:

https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Buying/commonwealth-bank-issue-of-Overdrawing-Approval-Fee/m-p/6919...
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Coming from a buyer; I prefer free postage. I know It's built in but at the end of the day if the transaction 'goes south', I will be refunded the full amount.

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@hemi2435 wrote:

Coming from a buyer; I prefer free postage. I know It's built in but at the end of the day if the transaction 'goes south', I will be refunded the full amount.


And it only took 10 years to come up with that gem,  that is incorrect anyhow.

 

Enjoy 2034

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