sellers Shill bidding

[cyclone_yasi]

Hi all i have noticed quite a number of the Chinese sellers seem to be involved in shill bidding, you watch their auctions and almost like clockwork and amount of around $120 will be withdrawn in the last 30 seconds of the auction.

They all seem to have private listings so you cannot see it is the same person bidding on the items all of the time.

If you confront a seller about it  of course they deny all knowledge of it and play the "dumb" card, then complain that they are the victims! not the poor person who is bidding on an item, only to have it increase in price because of a sellers bid.

Here is a clear example,

Bid retraction and cancellation history

Bidder Action Date of Bid and Retraction

private listing - bidders' identities protected

Cancelled:

AU $121.00

Bid:

18 Sep 2018 at 21:45:37 AEST

Cancelled:

20 Sep 2018 at 19:12:10 AEST

[lyndal1838]

Springy, if the OP had made paypal claims for all of those items there is a good chance that they would have been denied by paypal.

I have seen several buyers come to the boards who have said that paypal is no longer covering them as they have made too many claims.

[springyzone]

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@lyndal1838 wrote:

Springy, if the OP had made paypal claims for all of those items there is a good chance that they would have been denied by paypal.

I have seen several buyers come to the boards who have said that paypal is no longer covering them as they have made too many claims.

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Hmm, I can sort of understand that to some extent. A few claims, yes. But if almost every purchase is resulting in something not turning up, then there is something going wrong-maybe a problem with the address. 

[countessalmirena]

It may come down to being a responsible buyer.

PayPal do not want to be picking up the tab for buyers who plunge wildly into too many obvious scams. That wouldn't be tenable. I know that PayPal will assess the risk of such buyers, and at a certain point, yes, as lyndal says, no more coverage.

I do believe in buyers being responsible when buying, and not just saying, "Hmm, it's too good to be true, but such a good price, and if it goes wrong, well, I'll be covered by PayPal, so here I go - I'm buying!"

[springyzone]

I agree with you that people need to be a bit sensible when they buy-from anywhere-not just ebay.

But in all honesty, I have never found ebay is full of scammers, not even in the days before paypal.

A few, yes. The occasional dodgy seller or bogus buyer.

But I don't think it is all that prevalent that every purchase would go pear shaped, for the simple reason a seller could not count on it being a buyer who could not make any more claims with paypal.

I think part of the problem lately with the OP comes from unwisely buying dozens (if not hundreds) of things from a small number of sellers.

I saw this feedback:

OUT OF 300+ ITEMS I HAVWON FROM THIS AND THEIR OTHER ACCS ONLY 70 PCS HAV ARRIVE

STILL ANOTHER 50+ NEGS FOR ME TO GIVE YET! ALL THESE ITEMS WERE RIP OFFS! AVOID

I presume they must have bought multiple pieces with each purchase, but all the same, this is where the buyer needs to buy only once or twice, see how it works out, before jumping in and buying what looks like it might be 50 separate times.

In my own experience over the last few years, I've found that sellers on ebay (and that includes the Chinese sellers I've bought from, even at cheap prices) have all delivered. Sellers on ebay (on the whole) & Aust Post just aren't that bad.

For any buyer to have so many negative experiences like items not arriving or being faulty or not up to expectations means either

-too many purchases in a hurry from the same (bad) seller

- something wrong with the delivery address

-unrealistic expectations

[cyclone_yasi]

Yes, i did leave them negative feedback.

I complained to them about their shill bidding prior and was promptly blocked from bidding on any further items.

[cyclone_yasi]

Most of the items that were bought from that particular seller were only low priced items 10-20c and mostly pendants.

It is always the same with some of them, they will deliver a parcel and deliberately leave multiple items out of the parcel, hoping you don't notice maybe?

Then when you leave them negs, they try to bribe you with a refund to remove the feedback.

[k1ooo-slr-sales]

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@cyclone_yasi wrote:

Most of the items that were bought from that particular seller were only low priced items 10-20c and mostly pendants.

It is always the same with some of them, they will deliver a parcel and deliberately leave multiple items out of the parcel, hoping you don't notice maybe?

Then when you leave them negs, they try to bribe you with a refund to remove the feedback.

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so, do you ever leave a positive for the items that are delivered in the parcel? The ones that do arrive and are as described?

[cyclone_yasi]

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@cezm wrote:

The seller accused of shill bidding has positive feedback except for the 2 negs left by the buyer accusing of shill bidding (and 1 neutral for 'not exactly same colour as picture').

Aside from that seller, the buyer would be wise to read the seller's feedback and lodge INR or SNADs as suggested. I would have given up purchasing by now.

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@cezm wrote:

The seller accused of shill bidding has positive feedback except for the 2 negs left by the buyer accusing of shill bidding (and 1 neutral for 'not exactly same colour as picture').

Aside from that seller, the buyer would be wise to read the seller's feedback and lodge INR or SNADs as suggested. I would have given up purchasing by now.

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If you watch that sellers auction, you will see that in just about every auction that he has , there will be a bid of around $120 withdrawn in the closing minute of the auction.

I have only bought 2 items from that particular seller, i did bid on others until i noticed bids being continually withdrawn, that sort of thing is against Ebays policy, but yet it happens on nearly everyone of his auctions.

And as for leaving negative feedbacks,I have bought thousands of items on Ebay  and usually only leave negative feedback for the doggy sellers, or the ones that do not fulfil their deliveries.