on โ05-07-2020 04:39 PM
With long delivery items Ebay feedback can close within the delivery period so if no delivery is made you cannot give bad feedback. This has happened once and the items were never delivered. It appears to be happening again. This practice appears to encourage and make it easy for bad sellers
on โ06-07-2020 11:23 AM
@springyzone wrote:
There's your problem, right there. You have no idea how to open a dispute. Time to learn. Read up the terms & conditions & processes. Hopefully you won't need them in the future, but tuck the knowledge away, just in case.
It sounds to me as if the problem isn't the time allowed for feedback but more the fact you waited too long.
Tuckcase made a comment that it only takes a moment to open an official case and that no one should spend weeks going back & forth with a seller. That basically is the bottom line.
If an item does not arrive within a few days of the expected arrival date, you are best to just open an item not received claim. Some sellers will try to string you along for weeks till the time for doing anything has passed.
You may not be able to give feedback but the good news is that if you paid via paypal, you can possibly still open a claim with them for your money back. You get 180 days.
Go on, read up how to make a claim and follow through with that claim. Having to refund you will hurt a seller as much if not more than getting bad feedback.
While I for one can apreciate what you say springyzone and your avice to the OP about opening a case certainly won''t go astray, the OP's lead-in post below indicates that's the main issue.
why does ebay feedback often close before a delivery has been made
With long delivery items Ebay feedback can close within the delivery period so if no delivery is made you cannot give bad feedback. This has happened once and the items were never delivered. It appears to be happening again. This practice appears to encourage and make it easy for bad sellers
And from what you said to the OP, I'll take that on board and rather than be at the mercy of a seller's (whatever), I'll cut to the chase earlier after a couple of attempts. I'll save myself a fair bit of bother.
But as OP shatojak1 said, items are now ojn long delivery times (can get worse with a new outbreak) and I agree about the feedbacck bit. Elswhere I've stated that had I taken the time to study even the positive feedback, I could have saved myself a lot of bother. With the type of items I chase, they are in a slightly different category of collectability. While not well-known rare items, they have their niche. To get the item into the same desirability level as the popular rarities or the more obscure ones, some sellers are tempted to be more optomistic in their listing and sometimes use a variant of the "I Wish" grading system which is .... "The item is rare so its condition is better than it really is because it deserves to be". Yes, I'll probably be my own headache by chasing certain items that are more prone to misleading advertising. But being able to read the feedback can give me a better idea as to whether I should take a punt or not.
So OP is 100% correct about the feedback issue. I love rewarding good sellers with FB and on occasion . Negative or neutral FB should play a part in warning others of dangers that exist with some sellers. And I'm sure many sellers have seen the light and lifted their game..
on โ06-07-2020 11:31 AM
on โ06-07-2020 11:35 AM
@repentatleisure1952 wrote:So why would you spend time going back & forth about a dirty filthy book?
Me...straight to NAD.
I should have done so. I learnt my lesson there.
I wanted to get an explanation fron the seller and arrange a return. Seller strung me along and then with other things going on I lost time as you do.
Oh I did make a cklaim and PayPal didn't take the money from him. They were to refund me out of their own purse. This woud have been the 2nd time for this gesture. I spoke ton a guy on the phone about it. He said ... "It will be done". And I took their word for it. 2 months ago, I went back to my history and it wasn't done! This was last year too.
Never mind. Next time for a blatant and dishonest transaction like this I won't hesitate.
on โ06-07-2020 11:35 AM
@4channel wrote:...
So OP is 100% correct about the feedback issue....
No, that's incorrect. The seller's argument was carefully addressed and found to be wrong. It is bad buyers who have benefited from recent delays, not sellers. It's very simple to see.
on โ06-07-2020 11:43 AM
@tazzieterror wrote:
@4channel wrote:...
So OP is 100% correct about the feedback issue....
No, that's incorrect. The seller's argument was carefully addressed and found to be wrong.
We're talking about the feedback issue right. That's not true from what I can see. Where was the seller's (you mean the OP right) argument found to be wrong? I see no evidence of it on this thread. Who determines that?
@tazzieterror wrote:
It is bad buyers who have benefited from recent delays, not sellers. It's very simple to see.
Please provide eveidence of this. Are their surveys, articles to support your statement? And how does that relate to the inability to leave feedback issue?
on โ06-07-2020 11:57 AM
@4channel wrote:Please provide eveidence of this. Are their surveys, articles to support your statement? And how does that relate to the inability to leave feedback issue?
Where are the OP's surveys are articles to support their position? Where are yours? Why don't you hold the OP or yourself to such a standard?
The OP claimed the recent situation with delays "...appears to encourage and make it easy for bad sellers.." yet failed to offer any evidence.
I addressed this claim in message 14 of this topic with my evidence outlined there. It's very simple to follow.
on โ06-07-2020 12:09 PM
@4channel wrote:
@tazzieterror wrote:
@4channel wrote:...
So OP is 100% correct about the feedback issue....
No, that's incorrect. The seller's argument was carefully addressed and found to be wrong.
We're talking about the feedback issue right. That's not true from what I can see. Where was the seller's (you mean the OP right) argument found to be wrong? I see no evidence of it on this thread. Who determines that?
@tazzieterror wrote:
It is bad buyers who have benefited from recent delays, not sellers. It's very simple to see.
Please provide eveidence of this. Are their surveys, articles to support your statement? And how does that relate to the inability to leave feedback issue?
Well there you go, the evidence was there all along for us to see rflmao ๐
on โ06-07-2020 12:21 PM
โ06-07-2020 02:05 PM - edited โ06-07-2020 02:07 PM
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**@4channel wrote:
Please provide eveidence of this. Are their surveys, articles to support your statement? And how does that relate to the inability to leave feedback issue?
@tazzieterror wrote:
Where are the OP's surveys are articles to support their position? Where are yours? Why don't you hold the OP or yourself to such a standard?
The OP claimed the recent situation with delays "...appears to encourage and make it easy for bad sellers.." yet failed to offer any evidence.
I addressed this claim in message 14 of this topic with my evidence outlined there. It's very simple to follow.
4channel writes:
The OP doesn't need surveys to suppport their position. OP has already stated that items are arriving close-to or even after the feedback time has expired. I can support this because it has happened to me twice. I believe the OP is telling the truth and that's why this thread was started.
With the delay in shippping due to corona virus making it easy for bad sellers, I'd go along with that! OP said "bad sellers" and bad sellers are bad sellers who will do bad things if given half the chance. Incompetent sellers and sellers who do not or cannot fix issues can be placed in that group as well. This is a no brainer!
Yes I read your message (#14).
on โ06-07-2020 02:46 PM
@4channel wrote:4channel writes:
The OP doesn't need surveys to suppport their position. OP has already stated that items are arriving close-to or even after the feedback time has expired. I can support this because it has happened to me twice. I believe the OP is telling the truth and that's why this thread was started.
With the delay in shippping due to corona virus making it easy for bad sellers, I'd go along with that! OP said "bad sellers" and bad sellers are bad sellers who will do bad things if given half the chance. Incompetent sellers and sellers who do not or cannot fix issues can be placed in that group as well. This is a no brainer!
Yes I read your message (#14).
No one has disputed items are arriving after the feedback window, nor is it what I have questioned - see if you can actually address the point for once - I'll state it again:
The OP claimed the recent situation with delays "...appears to encourage and make it easy for bad sellers.." yet failed to offer any evidence.
This is what they've claimed (without any evidence), you support (without any evidence), and I dispute (argument and evidence laid out already).
If what you claim were really a "no brainer" it should be easy to articulate exactly how forknowledge of possible delays resulting in no feedback can "encourage and make it easy for bad seller" (to do what exactly?).
Keep repeating and rephrasing it all you like, 4channel, but you and the OP have shown nothing to support what you say. Meanwhile there is ample evidence on this very forum of bad buyers taking advantage of the delays and sellers sufering as a result. One only needs to look.