Need help Idenifying Platinum Mark on Ring.

Hello everyone, I'm trying to find out more about a ring I have, but there doesn't seem to be much


info on Platinum Marks. 


 


Pics below....any help would be much appreciated.


 


Trash or Treasure?


 


 




 


 


 


 



 




 


 


 

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Need help Idenifying Platinum Mark on Ring.

Thanks oldworld...I just took another look at the ring and the other person I spoke to via email who said it may have been made smaller = number "1" was cut out of the 18 = appears to be the case.  I'll take a photo of the actual inside of the ring near the mark but it seems to me there is evidence that the ring has been made smaller.  Therefore, you're probably right it's 18ct.  I didn't think to look for that, but it's there.  Only visible under loupe. 


 


As for the other one...it seriously looks and feels like gold, so I'll go looking for the hounds head mark and see if I can find it. 
The mark doesn't quite show it, but there is a raised area within the indent that once cleaned may show up a bit clearer.


 


 

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As for the other one...it seriously looks and feels like gold, so I'll go looking for the hounds head mark and see if I can find it. 
The mark doesn't quite show it, but there is a raised area within the indent that once cleaned may show up a bit clearer.


 



 


Could it possibly be silver gilt - that is, gilded silver? It's just that to me that by SHAPE  the 2 marks it most resembles are the Austro-Hungary dog's head (as already said) or the French boar's head - both of these are for 800 silver. If you look down inside the back where the stone is set, you may be able to tell. Very nice ring; I would also say Etruscan Revival - 1880, 1890? Could the lovely stone be rock crystal? Amethyst?

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No, the consistency of it is too good for silver...I'll clean it up this afternoon and see if the mark is easier to read....it could be cojoined boar & eagle heads which is French 18kt and according to your estimate of the age, that would be about right according to one hallmark site. 


 


The stone isn't amethyst....very light lilac. - none of the lines you see in amethyst. 


 


While I'm at it, what do you think of this one....it's very old, stamped 9ct = possibly English or Aussie and I'm not sure if the ruby is real, or if they are diamonds alongside.  I may need to get these rings looked at no doubt before listing them....or selling them to a jeweler perhaps. 


 






 


If real, what would you think it might be worth?  The stone is pretty large..i.e. around 8-10m.  BTW, thanks for all the advice....more heads are better than one.  Half the fun is researching what it is....Many thanks.


 

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While I'm at it, what do you think of this one....it's very old, stamped 9ct = possibly English or Aussie and I'm not sure if the ruby is real, or if they are diamonds alongside.  I may need to get these rings looked at no doubt before listing them....or selling them to a jeweler perhaps. 


 


 


 


 



 


If real, what would you think it might be worth?  The stone is pretty large..i.e. around 8-10m.  BTW, thanks for all the advice....more heads are better than one.  Half the fun is researching what it is....Many thanks.


 



 


Don't ask me about stones - I am NOT a gemmologist. If I ever think I have anything of serious value I take it to a jeweller and get a report, even though it costs me. I know there are testing machines (which is probably  all your average suburban jeweller will do) but I can't even work the gold testing kit I bought. I would not recommend any of the amateur tests you may find on-line (ghastly). A local lapidary club may be an idea.


 


If it really is an old ruby of that size, it would be worth a lot. Don't forget though, that gold was plentiful in Australia particularly 1880-1920's and therefore cheap, and so lots of gold jewellery was set with coloured glass stones - I know this from Anne Schofield's book and also the Cavill etc bible. The latter illustrates 100's of pieces of hallmarked gold Australian made jewellery set with "paste". Anne tells me that rubies in this time frame (pre WW2) were rarely found in Australia. It would have to be a special piece to warrant imported stones.  I had a quick flick through Cavil etc and almost all the red coloured stones in jewelery pieces, particularly the larger stones, are identified as either garnet or paste.


 


When my aunt died I inherited both my grandmother's and great-aunt's engagement rings - date just before WW1. One is marked 9ct, the other 18ct. I was quite excited, as I have 2 daughters and thought to pass them on. Sadly closer inspection showed that whatever the clear stones were - they were NOT diamonds. They were worn on the facets, and in one case quite chipped. :_| ( I passed them on anyway.)

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Thanks siddy....I know the excitement you're talking about.  I've just sent an inventory of these pics to an Antique Jewellery dealer not far away (by that I mean about 55kms)...they reckon they might be interested in consigning.  Why scrap nice rings?  There's another mob in town who will melt down and make a piece out of old scrap and gemstones which is a great idea I hadn't thought of. 


 


BTW, the stone in this is flawless...no scratches, no chips and it reflects such a beautiful light, but like you I'm no expert...just intuition raises the eyebrow usually.


 


I believe two of my cuff bracelets in silver are Fred Harvey's (will post some pics later....) and if so, well ya just know they're worth a bit.  I've got heaps to get thru...generations of collections including my own.  I don't wear jewellery though generally....I just collect it...must've been a bowerbird in a last life.

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I've got heaps to get thru...generations of collections including my own.  I don't wear jewellery though generally....I just collect it...must've been a bowerbird in a last life.



 


Oh goodness, WEAR it for heavens sake. That's what it was meant for. Though who am I to talk - never in a 100 lifetimes could I wear what I have stashed away in my multitude of jewellery boxes. Regards Kaye

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LOL...I'd look like a flaming christmas tree....Na...I wuvs me rustic silver if I'm gonna wear anything.  The cuffs have had a bit of a wear occasionally, & I wear sleepers in my ears all the time, but other than that...I'm  really good at losing it...the jewellery that is...


 


I've just been speaking with the antique jewelers and at first glance they though it looked glassy until I told her that it's very old and there are no scratches or chips.  She had to agree that in a setting like this (which she thought unusual) it would be expected to get kicked around and would have scratches...but as I said, it's flawless. 


 


 

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My 2c again.


Why put a flawless, beautiful ruby in 9ct gold when gold was cheap and plentiful?


I think it's more likely to be red spinel.


 


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Red Spinel is particularly stunning with its deep, rich color and natural tendency to be very clear.


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http://alwaysinsearchof.hubpages.com/hub/A-Comprehensive-List-Of-Red-Gemstones

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My 2c again.


Why put a flawless, beautiful ruby in 9ct gold when gold was cheap and plentiful?


I think it's more likely to be red spinel.


 


Quote


Red Spinel is particularly stunning with its deep, rich color and natural tendency to be very clear.


from


http://alwaysinsearchof.hubpages.com/hub/A-Comprehensive-List-Of-Red-Gemstones



I think that point about the ruby in a 9ct setting being unlikely is a good one, and earlier in the thread where i said to 'listen to sswans' i meant to say 'oldworldlady' as well 🙂


i think sswans made the point to me in the old thread "scrap or repair' i posted last year.


 

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My 2c again.


Why put a flawless, beautiful ruby in 9ct gold when gold was cheap and plentiful?


I think it's more likely to be red spinel.


 


Quote


Red Spinel is particularly stunning with its deep, rich color and natural tendency to be very clear.


from


http://alwaysinsearchof.hubpages.com/hub/A-Comprehensive-List-Of-Red-Gemstones



 


Very good point. Anne Schofield says:


 


"Spinel occurs in all colours, the favourite being a ruby-like red, and is found in most Australian states. It was recognised as an individual mineral only 150 years ago, and before that it was classed as ruby - in fact many of the famous "rubies" in history are in fact really spinels."

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