on 06-09-2013 07:56 AM
Another LABOR failure and botched policy.......
One of an Abbott Government’s toughest jobs will be to clean up the NBN mess and stop the bleeding of our billions:
THE company building Labor’s $37.4 billion National Broadband Network could be forced to repair tens... after cutting corners in the construction processes to boost the number of homes passed by the massive infrastructure project.
The Australian can reveal that as of last week, connections to as many as 21,000 - one in eight - of the 163,500 existing homes and businesses passed by the fibre network were considered to contain defects in the network construction…
The defects mean that network connections to thousands of homes and businesses, which have been classified as “ready for service”, may require repairs before users can access the internet on the new network.
NBN Co last night disputed the figures, admitting there were significant defects but insisting the total number was lower than the [NBN internal] figures obtained by The Australian.
on 08-09-2013 08:28 PM
@para-sights wrote:But will that count in the average household while dad is conferencing or using cloud for his documents and the kids are streaming different movies on their smart tv's while mum uses the computer. Will the speed decrease if that average family accesses the internet at once?
A large part of our copper network is just not up to it. Much of our copper is a smaller guage than that used in Britian. Much of it has been degraded by past measures to protect it and extend it's life. The cost of the FTTN is expected to be much the same as FTTP but the politics and stubborn refusal of the Liberal Party to accept anything Labor started that leads to the standoff. Turnbull said when pressed on the issue that if copper needed replacing between the house and node it would be replaced with copper unless poeple want to pay for a fibre extension.
on 08-09-2013 08:28 PM
Quite possibly yes. We are no longer talking about househoilds from the 90's. Most new families, the ones who will become the average by 2019 will have/utilise those technologies as will busiinesse (and I not just talking white collar either)
on 08-09-2013 08:34 PM
@freakiness wrote:
@para-sights wrote:But will that count in the average household while dad is conferencing or using cloud for his documents and the kids are streaming different movies on their smart tv's while mum uses the computer. Will the speed decrease if that average family accesses the internet at once?
A large part of our copper network is just not up to it. Much of our copper is a smaller guage than that used in Britian. Much of it has been degraded by past measures to protect it and extend it's life. The cost of the FTTN is expected to be much the same as FTTP but the politics and stubborn refusal of the Liberal Party to accept anything Labor started that leads to the standoff. Turnbull said when pressed on the issue that if copper needed replacing between the house and node it would be replaced with copper unless poeple want to pay for a fibre extension.
Yes it is sooo frustrating that political posturing (on both sides) has eroded a much needed upgrade. We have a history of stagnating now we have the chance to catch up, even overtake the rest of the developed world and we are going to be held back again. How many decades will it now take before all Australia is connected to FTTP
on 08-09-2013 08:45 PM
this is an issue where i'm not being partisan. i see environmental policy in the same non-partisan way and support those with the best ideas and solutions ahead of my traditional leanings. my opinion is formed on fact, and i believe the national party first floated the idea of an NBN so they can have the credit if they want. just finish it..
on 08-09-2013 08:49 PM
To all those that berate copper and FTTN
Everyone has been told that fast propagation over copper deteriorates over a short distance
That is false
By John Curtis Network World, 01/11/99
As new technologies further define high performance networking, engineers and network administrators alike are taking a fresh look at cabling to further enhance overall network performance. Today's cables carry data signals at more than 50% of the speed of light in a vacuum, but there are measurable speed differences among cable types. Do such differences have a significant impact in overall network performance? Should they be considered when choosing between fiber and copper cable? Let's take a closer look.
Today's leading fiber cables from vendors such as Corning, AT&T Network Cable Systems and Spectran Specialty, propagate signals along the cable at approximately two thirds the speed of light in a vacuum. (In technical jargon, they have an index of refraction, denoted by the Greek letter Eta, of approximately 1.5.) Today's Category 5 copper cables, by contrast, actually propagate signals faster than fiber -- approximately 72% of the speed of light in a vacuum (or 10% faster than fiber).
To determine the real impact of this difference on network traffic, we need to do a little math. If we compare the time required to send data across 100 meters of fiber vs. copper cable, the copper transmission will arrive less than one tenth of one microsecond sooner - virtually undetectable by even the best network analyzers. Even if we were to stretch the distance to 20 kilometers, well beyond what's allowed for Category 5 copper, the difference in cable speeds still amounts to less than one microsecond.
All of this means that, from the perspective of overall network performance, the propagation delays of fiber and copper cable are effectively identical. Clearly, issues such as cost and bandwidth remain key factors in choosing between the two technologies, but customers can comfortably ignore propagation delay as a performance metric in overall network performance.
on 08-09-2013 08:56 PM
we'd need to replace the existing copper network we have for that to be possible in the first instance due to its degraded condition. makes no sense.
on 08-09-2013 08:57 PM
and the article was debunked here a couple of months ago.
on 08-09-2013 09:02 PM
No it was not debunked it was disagreed with it is simple science bretty bascic at that
on 08-09-2013 09:07 PM
Good reading for anyone interested.
http://issuu.com/broadbandproperties/docs/ftthprimeraus_aug13_webfinal
on 08-09-2013 09:20 PM
@lakeland27 wrote:we'd need to replace the existing copper network we have for that to be possible in the first instance due to its degraded condition. makes no sense.
Agreed.
"Fibre generally should be deployed in new (‘greenfield’) housing estates and wherever copper has to be
replaced (unless there are particular commercial reasons not to do so). There will also be established areas
where high maintenance costs or the condition of the copper renders FTTN unattractive and the best alternative is FTTP."