$500mill to stop IS. $18mill to stop Ebola.

[i-need-a-martini]

Personnel we deployed to to fight I.S.? 

600.

Personnel we deployed to fight Ebola?

Zero.

[cherry*135]

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@muppet_detector wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

I don't think Doctors see themselves as 'winners' either if their waiting rooms are full of people concerned about the ebola virus.

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you must know what I meant.

Some of that money comes via medicare, and some doctors charge more than the medicare rebate, so the cost falls to the people themselves, not just the doctor.

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I don't believe doctors waiting rooms are full of people concerned about ebola virus either. 

[cherry*135]

Back to you now, julia, direct the thread in the direction you want it to go now.

[muppet_detector]

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@am*3 wrote:

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

Not only Australian personnel sent there by the Govt that could contract ebola virus and carry it back here.

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ok, so the 30hrs would apply

to them too. 

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No my point is it takes 2 days to 21 days till the symptoms show. A person who has contracted the virus, may be on the plane without any signs of sickness...they make it back to Australia without feeling ill... then we end up with a person in Aust with ebola virus.

It is irrelvant whether the person volunteers themselves or is sent there by the Govt.. if they have ebola virus, and they symptoms show  after they arrive in Australia.

That 30 hour flight excuse is rubbish, imo.

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you really need to do something

constructive with your knowledge

and expertise.  there are ppl who

are desperate for solutions.

I don't agree with your comment which is interpersonal, and not relevant to the discussion either. I do not have any experience or qualifications to find a cure for ebola. Tony Abbott could send more funds and personnel to West Africa though, that would be a start. That is what is needed immediately.

No my point is it takes 2 days to 21 days till the symptoms show. A person who has contracted the virus, may be on the plane without any signs of sickness...they make it back to Australia without feeling ill... then we end up with a person in Aust with ebola virus.

good information but irrelevant

to the issue discussed here.

the issue is not the spread of the

disease but the length of the evacuation

process of those who are sick - in

particular - australian personnel.

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Does it matter who is sick with ebola... a West African person, a Nurse from Austrlaia, personnel who may have been sent to West Africa by the Aust Govt?

They will all die if they don't get adequate treatment. If they are Australian and return here before their symptoms show up they can infect others...not important ?? I think that is very important to every Australian.

The spread of the disease is relevant because Abbott said he isn't going to do anything till it hits our shores.

He should be helping contain it in West Africa so it doesn't hit any other countries shores.

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i thought our health system had already set up centres in most cities (I read it here, so it must be correct)

By restricting who has access to the virus and their potential for carrying it away from the source, it seems he is already helping.

The only way to guarantee ciontainment is to not let anybody leave the source.

So, do we send our aide workers over there with a one way ticket?

[polksaladallie]

We cannot contract AIDS this way, we cannot contract ebola this way.

[muppet_detector]

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@am*3 wrote:

Google is your friend.

Ebola virus disease

Fact sheet N°103
Updated September 2014

Symptoms of Ebola virus disease

The incubation period, that is, the time interval from infection with the virus to onset of symptoms is 2 to 21 days.

Humans are not infectious until they develop symptoms.

First symptoms are the sudden onset of fever fatigue, muscle pain, headache and sore throat. This is followed by vomiting, diarrhoea, rash, symptoms of impaired kidney and liver function, and in some cases, both internal and external bleeding (e.g. oozing from the gums, blood in the stools).

Laboratory findings include low white blood cell and platelet counts and elevated liver enzymes.

Read more:

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/

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yes, but somone up there was inferring that by testing them before symptoms could lead to an early diagnosis and facillitate an earlier departure after quoting 6 to 16 days from the onset of symptoms to death.

was something like "daily testing could have them home before symptoms appeared"

[muppet_detector]

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@am*3 wrote:

Where is julia2010 with her 'that is irrelevant stick' now?

If the Abbott Govt sent more funds to West Africa it would help contain the disease there and silly people in Australia wouldn't need to get 'panicky'.

Why would a Dr arrange a consultation for a person in Aust who has never been out of the country, never been in contact with anyone who has just returned from West Africa, to tell them they don't have ebola virus? When no-one else in the country has it to catch it from?

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to see what they do have? The flu? sinus infection? cancer?

In his mind, he may be dismissing eBola, he can only relate the unliklihood of a person having it, but only the person knows how ill they are, and so without seeing them, how could he diagnose an issue?

My friend said he encouraged people who still had concerns to make an appointment, he didn't say he held a gun to their head and forced them to have a consultation.

Regardless, how much unpaid time is a doctor or his staff expected to spend on fielding calls.

[muppet_detector]

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@am*3 wrote:

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@muppet_detector wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

I don't think Doctors see themselves as 'winners' either if their waiting rooms are full of people concerned about the ebola virus.

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you must know what I meant.

Some of that money comes via medicare, and some doctors charge more than the medicare rebate, so the cost falls to the people themselves, not just the doctor.

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I don't believe doctors waiting rooms are full of people concerned about ebola virus either. 

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stop twisting my words, did i say they were full?

[polksaladallie]

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@muppet_detector wrote:

 

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i thought our health system had already set up centres in most cities (I read it here, so it must be correct)

By restricting who has access to the virus and their potential for carrying it away from the source, it seems he is already helping.

The only way to guarantee ciontainment is to not let anybody leave the source.

So, do we send our aide workers over there with a one way ticket?

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GOVERNMENT-owned housing will be used to quarantine possible Ebola victims and protective clothing for staff will be upgraded as Queensland health chiefs ramp up preparations to deal with any outbreak.

Queensland Health has activated a 24-hour emergency co-ordination centre and the state Chief Health Officer, Jeannette Young, yesterday said staff were working on worst-case scenarios and plans for how they would respond.

Aide workers are already there and returning.   One Queensland nurse returned and developed a fever, was quarantined and tested, and was cleared.  The procedures are already being carried out. 

I do not understand all this hysteria.

[Anonymous]

They will all die if they don't get adequate treatment. If they are Australian and return here before their symptoms show up they can infect others...not important ?? I think that is very important to every Australian.

the discussion was about  abbott not

wanting to send australian personel

because of the time it took to evacuate

SICK australian personnel.

you kept making references to the spread

of the diseases because of ppl travelling

without knowing they were sick.

your response was not relevant.

If the Abbott Govt sent more funds to West Africa it would help contain the disease there and silly people in Australia wouldn't need to get 'panicky'.

he tried. it was rejected - read my earlier post.

Where is julia2010 with her 'that is irrelevant stick' now?

i'm not here 24/7 waiting with anticiaption

[muppet_detector]

yep, it's confirmed.......

All any of you are doing is contradicting each other and enforcing what i and Julia have said.

One says "we're doing nothing". another says "we are"

examples are provided of how we have failed with treatment and diagnosis, then articles such as the above are produced.

and on it goes.

Unless someone says that TA is a rotter, some will argue for the sake of arguing with anybody who presents a valid point.

leave yas to it.