@donnashuggy wrote:
I didn't actually say that, I said naughty kids take up teachers time, teachers that don't won't can't discipline and their parents are often too lazy too and let things go. A naughty child really should be able to behave in a classroom with the right teacher and not be allowed to be so disruptive.
did you see my post in anotheer thread about gifted and talented kids, and how without the right teaching, they can become bored, and then get naughty etc?
that affects classes too as well as the child. as do many undioagnosed and diagnosed learning disabilities
not allowed to be disruptive? all kids are entitled to an education, and if a diagnosis and the methods of addressing the characteristics of that diagnosis help the child to access the curriculum, shouldn't they get that help? wouldn't that make it easier for the teachers too? and fair for every student? so if overdiagnosis means that even one extra kid gets access to the education they deserve, why does it matter?
a diagnosis also helps the teachers to know how to and devise strategies for the "naughty kids" to engage in classes too. and when kids are able to engage, they become less naughty....
there are lots of reasons why a kid might be naughty, sometimes it is from a disorder/learning disability/ability etc, sometimes it is from poor parenting, but that might not be cos a parent is lazy, it might also be because they don't know how to discipline or be a "better parent". These kids don't come with little manuals, tya know, we gotta work it out as we go along based on what we know how to do from our own experiences.. so if a mother had a bad parenting role model herself, then how is she to know a better way?
kind of hoping that you're starting to understand the huge responsibility that schools actually have and some of the stuff they have to deal with.
My youngest was an absolute horror of a child. I took her to the peady when she was about 3 1/2 and begged him to help me, I told him she was ADHD and needed medicating etc...
he laughed at me and told me she was just a normal kid. she was just bored and wanted attention. He said she had spent her whole life having to wait in hospitals, doctors and specialists offices, therapy stuff for her two older brothers, (one autistic savant then (now diag as HFA, and ione Aspie) and she was done waiting,
(the irony of me wanting medication for LC was how hard we fought to keep BC off medication - he is and has always been medication free when not in hospital, but once he has to be admitted to hospital, well, then they have to trip him out, and wean him back before release at hopefully, day 10)
so we changed things, did the best we could, with her and the boys, they took her into school a year early (after testing etc to make sure she could, private school, the public system wouldn't touch her until she was the right age) and by about grade 3, she started tio come good and is now a "perfect' kid... she was just bored, and we were just doing the best we could, it wasn't cos we were too lazy...
Some people can go their whole lives and never really live for a single minute.
