on 07-10-2013 01:58 PM
Am I expecting too much from an adult who has autism to speak politely to people.
eg: When she come to one of our volunteers and says in an aggressive manner "Get me a cup of coffee" very a please or thank you.
07-10-2013 03:21 PM - edited 07-10-2013 03:22 PM
hi ok that makes it more difficult
does she have a carer or is she totally on her own
if a carer speak to them
if not try my suggestion of breaking it down for her(in private not in front of others and have another helper with you)
not just saying the whole lot in one go
make sure she is getting each thing you say to her
and it might be a good idea and re-inforce it each time she come(doing it the same way)
i know it can be time consuming and you probarly have others to see too
but it needs to be an ongoing process or it can just flit out of their heads
if its not something of total interest to them
losts of autistic people do not have any empathy nor get it
they dont grasp feelings,sayings,jokes and things like like
tara
on 07-10-2013 03:31 PM
They do have empathy, usually they just don't know how to express it. IMO
on 07-10-2013 03:40 PM
Yes.. they do have empathy... 100%... at all times...
they don't know what to do with that information, or don't care about that information, or they don't realise the importance of those feelings, they may not have been taught how to express their feelings.... they may have been taught but still don't express it how we think they should
lots of reasons why they don't react like we do when we have a sense of empathy.
on 07-10-2013 03:42 PM
some have empathy, others aren't aware of the feelings and don't know what they are or how to express them for themselves far less recognize a need in others.
Grandmoon, Tara's on the money.
small one step instructions.
"say please when you ask for something is actually a LOT of instructions and often they need to practise following each step of the instruction and breaking it down.
Practise role playing with her - show her what is expected and let her practise in a safe environment.
draw picture boards too
Show and play out the different scenarios ie the likely response when she says please and how it makes others feel and what their reactions are if they don't.
they're often in a world of thier own and cannot understand the role that oher people play in their lives. It's not being selfish, they just don't understand any better. They just know that they need their needs to be met.
also tara hit on thius, at times of anxiety etc, they may forget what they're supposed to do, even if they have been taught and practised heaps/ They don't do this on purpose, it's just if they get overwhelmed or anxious other stuff kind of gets more focused.
07-10-2013 03:51 PM - edited 07-10-2013 03:54 PM
hi crikey
yes you are right with the empathy they may or may not have it
both my children do not have it
was diagnosed everytime as having none
not just having it and not knowing what to do with it or not recognising it
also the pictures are a great idea i did them all the time with my 2 when younger
if this lady is in her mid age.maybe she didnt have this used with her and it will help alot
sorry if i seem a little over the top on this subject
but its a condition that is very close to the heart of my family
and i feel for others who have this condition or are family members dealing with this condition
been with us for over 21 years now so i can be a little bit pushy or blunt
so forgive me if i have offended any other posters
tara
07-10-2013 03:59 PM - edited 07-10-2013 04:00 PM
I don't mean to be rude ...I am just wondering why it seems as though all people with autism are in the same box ...ie;they do or they don't have empathy ? 'they' meaning people with autism
Is empathy something that every person has ?
on 07-10-2013 04:01 PM
on 07-10-2013 04:10 PM
I am not offended at all...I too am very passionate on the subject. I also have a child with ASD. I have been told by many professionals that they all have empathy. To say a person does not have empathy is actually saying that they are psychopaths, people with autism are not psychopaths. I took particular interest in this particular topic as I felt that was where my son was mostly lacking.
this gets onto Theory of Mind and other "theories" that denote human nature.
What we judge them on are our non ASD brain models and that is wrong... they need to be judged on their ASD brain
Two very good reads on the subject and the second link actually has a reply from Tony Attwood to a letter he sent.
http://www.autismandempathy.com/?p=374
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt139123.html
two quotes from some of my fave pages about myths.
MYTH: “Children with autistic spectrum disorders cannot empathize with others; they do not have “theory of mind” capacities.”
FACT: When working with a relationship-based affect approach tailored to the child’s individual differences, as a child’s language and cognitive abilities improve, so do his theory of mind and his ability to empathize. The children who have done very well following a DIR/Floortime treatment program are very capable of high levels of theory of mind (the ability to understand that other people have independent minds of their own, which allows a child to think about other people’s perspectives, as well as his own),and high levels of empathy. In fact, we have a subgroup of children originally diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorders, many of whom are described by parents and teachers as having probably a little better empathy than their age peers who never had developmental challenges in the first place. They are highly warm, empathetic, caring individuals with friends and they are also doing well academically. This is only for a subgroup, but it is a significant subgroup. It shows what is possible with the proper program.
11 Myths about Autism
People with autism can't understand the emotions of others.
Autism often affects an individual's ability to understand unspoken interpersonal communication, so someone with autism might not detect sadness based solely on one's body language or sarcasm in one's tone of voice. But, when emotions are communicated more directly, people with autism are much more likely to feel empathy and compassion for others.
on 07-10-2013 04:10 PM
It is called a spectrum for a reason.
on 07-10-2013 04:11 PM
@grandmoon wrote:Am I expecting too much from an adult who has autism to speak politely to people.
eg: When she come to one of our volunteers and says in an aggressive manner "Get me a cup of coffee" very a please or thank you.
Did this adult woman tell you she is autistic? Or is that your assumption?